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Old September 2nd, 2015, 01:37 PM   #1
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I'm female. I've had an Abortion. I don't need "forgiveness".

I'm female. I've had an Abortion. I don't need "forgiveness".

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I'm angry today. And I'm not even Catholic, but I am female, and I'm angry at the absolute temerity of Pope Francis to deign to absolve females who've had abortions... with the catch of course that they be "contrite". I'm not contrite. My feelings are my own, and if I were Catholic or any other religion that involved "god" or "allah" or any other deity, and demanding I show my contriteness, to BEG for forgiveness makes my blood boil. Jump to the past over the squiggly.

I was young, probably could count myself pretty stupid as well as this was 2 decades ago. I was engaged to what I thought at the time was the guy. About 3 years in, I got pregnant. I was ecstatic, absolutely really thoroughly overjoyed. I thought we were doing everything right.

He came to my apartment that weekend, and we sat down and had a couple of drinks and he told me he wanted me to terminate it. His parents would disown him, the baby, just look at his older brother to see what he meant. They had money, we couldn't just walk away from that, I would be ruining his life, on and on and on it went.

I was heartbroken after he left. Left to think about everyone involved in this and make a decision that I knew rested on my shoulders and my shoulders alone. I agonized for over a week on this. I didn't want him to hate me forever, cut off from his family, never possibly loving his child without feeling some loathing. So I terminated. Which almost led me to bleeding out, but that was the possible outcome back then. Fortunately I got myself to an ER and got taken care of.

Our relationship fell apart the following year after I managed to work my way through one Mother's Day. We went to his parents for Christmas, and his eldest brother announced that him and his girlfriend were pregnant. His parents were thrilled. It was like a kick to the head for me. We didn't last long after that.

Now I get to hear another man, from an authoritarian religion tell me that if I get on my knees and beg for forgiveness, that a woman who shows proper contriteness can be "forgiven". I walked away from the Catholic church for it's complete lack of care in regards to women. That we are mere chattel, to be bartered away, to have no rights, to obey a man, to give him our lives and put our faith in him and the church.



All righty then. Looks as though we have a human being here and not one more of the second class citizens who needs man's permission to live.
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Old September 3rd, 2015, 02:05 AM   #2
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sounds to me like she's carrying a lot of guilt and regret.
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Old September 3rd, 2015, 04:00 PM   #3
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i dont see guilt or regret. i see pissed off at the ex because he was a jerk who lied to her. and a swipe at the arrogance of the pope.
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Old September 3rd, 2015, 04:17 PM   #4
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A person does not go to Hell for abortion ...
a person goes to Hell for rejecting Jesus Christ ...
an abortion is simply a reflection of the life long decision the person has made

PS: .... we ALL need forgiveness and have been forgiven .. this forgiveness is what allows us to receive eternal life in Jesus Christ ...
acceptance or rejection of Jesus is what determines whether one receives eternal life or eternal death ... continue


PS: .... the pope and his priests have no power to forgive anyone .... you can't do what has already been done
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Old September 3rd, 2015, 04:25 PM   #5
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A person does not go to Hell for abortion ...
a person goes to Hell for rejecting Jesus Christ ...
an abortion is simply a reflection of the life long decision the person has made

PS: .... we ALL have been forgiven .. this forgiveness is what allows us to receive eternal life in Jesus Christ ...
acceptance or rejection of Jesus is what determines whether one receives eternal life or eternal death ... continue


PS: .... the pope and his priests have no power to forgive anyone .... you can't do what has already been done
Christ never rejected an abortion. And this woman doesn't need the pope's "forgiveness". She's done nothing wrong.
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Old September 3rd, 2015, 04:34 PM   #6
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Christ never rejected an abortion (whatever this means) And this woman doesn't need the pope's "forgiveness". She's done nothing wrong.
no ... she doesn't need the pope's forgiveness ...
she has already been given God's forgiveness in Jesus Christ .. her eternal destiny pivots on her acceptance or rejection of Jesus ...
and yes an abortion is the murder of an innocent Human life ...
better to get hurt w/ truth than to be comfortably deluded w/ a lie
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no ... she doesn't need the pope's forgiveness ...
she has already been given God's forgiveness in Jesus Christ .. her eternal destiny pivots on her acceptance or rejection of Jesus ...
and yes an abortion is the murder of an innocent Human life ...
better to get hurt w/ truth than to be comfortably deluded w/ a lie
No, Christ never mentioned abortion as a sin or otherwise and god used it in situations of war to take over another nation.

There is no god. For many people. And if you choose to believe there is, ok. But you can't tell anyone but yourself that abortion is wrong. Many don't see the Big Daddy in the sky as existing and face it, he's never shown himself to prove otherwise.

so, you have your version of abortion based upon your acceptance, faith, belief, in a collection of mythological stories handed down for thousands of years from the Jewish history and the creation of a new religion to out do paganism and appeal to the Roman government by Paul. Beyond that, there's nothing "divine" in it for those who don't accept the teachings from faith ( a belief in things not seen).
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No Christ never mentioned abortion as a sin or otherwise n' god used it up in thangz of war ta take over another hood There is no god yall KNOW dat shiite muthafrack for nuff people and if you chizzle ta believe there be aiiight but you can't tell mah playas but yo ass dat abortion is wrong many don't peep tha big daddy up in tha sky as existin n' grill it he never shown his dirty ass ta prove otherwise so you have yo' version of abortion based upon yo acceptizzle faith belief up in a cold-ass lil collection of mythological stories handed down fo' thousandz of muthafrackn years from tha Jewish history n tha creation of a freshly smoked up religion ta up do paganizzle n' appeal ta tha roman posse by pizzle beyond dat there be a not a god dang thang divine up in it fo dem playas whoz ass don't accept tha teachings from faith a funky-ass belief up in thangs not seen n stuff like that

lol .... well so be it unto you

Then I (Isaiah) heard the voice of the Lord . saying ... Whom shall I send .. and who will go for Us .. Then I said .. Here am I .. Send me .. He said . Go .. and tell this people .. Keep on listening .. but do not perceive .. Keep on looking .. but do not understand .. Render the hearts of this people insensitive .. Their ears dull .. And their eyes dim .. Otherwise they might see with their eyes .. Hear with their ears .. Understand with their hearts .. And return and be healed ...... Isaiah 6:9

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No Christ never mentioned abortion as a sin or otherwise n' god used it up in thangz of war ta take over another hood There is no god yall KNOW dat shiite muthafrack for nuff people and if you chizzle ta believe there be aiiight but you can't tell mah playas but yo ass dat abortion is wrong many don't peep tha big daddy up in tha sky as existin n' grill it he never shown his dirty ass ta prove otherwise so you have yo' version of abortion based upon yo acceptizzle faith belief up in a cold-ass lil collection of mythological stories handed down fo' thousandz of muthafrackn years from tha Jewish history n tha creation of a freshly smoked up religion ta up do paganizzle n' appeal ta tha roman posse by pizzle beyond dat there be a not a god dang thang divine up in it fo dem playas whoz ass don't accept tha teachings from faith a funky-ass belief up in thangs not seen n stuff like that

lol .... well so be it unto you

Then I (Isaiah) heard the voice of the Lord . saying ... Whom shall I send .. and who will go for Us .. Then I said .. Here am I .. Send me .. He said . Go .. and tell this people .. Keep on listening .. but do not perceive .. Keep on looking .. but do not understand .. Render the hearts of this people insensitive .. Their ears dull .. And their eyes dim .. Otherwise they might see with their eyes .. Hear with their ears .. Understand with their hearts .. And return and be healed ...... Isaiah 6:9
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Old September 3rd, 2015, 05:20 PM   #10
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No Christ never mentioned abortion as a sin or otherwise n' god used it up in thangz of war ta take over another hood There is no god yall KNOW dat shiite muthafrack for nuff people and if you chizzle ta believe there be aiiight but you can't tell mah playas but yo ass dat abortion is wrong many don't peep tha big daddy up in tha sky as existin n' grill it he never shown his dirty ass ta prove otherwise so you have yo' version of abortion based upon yo acceptizzle faith belief up in a cold-ass lil collection of mythological stories handed down fo' thousandz of muthafrackn years from tha Jewish history n tha creation of a freshly smoked up religion ta up do paganizzle n' appeal ta tha roman posse by pizzle beyond dat there be a not a god dang thang divine up in it fo dem playas whoz ass don't accept tha teachings from faith a funky-ass belief up in thangs not seen n stuff like that

lol .... well so be it unto you

Then I (Isaiah) heard the voice of the Lord . saying ... Whom shall I send .. and who will go for Us .. Then I said .. Here am I .. Send me .. He said . Go .. and tell this people .. Keep on listening .. but do not perceive .. Keep on looking .. but do not understand .. Render the hearts of this people insensitive .. Their ears dull .. And their eyes dim .. Otherwise they might see with their eyes .. Hear with their ears .. Understand with their hearts .. And return and be healed ...... Isaiah 6:9
You leave out so much. That's the "twist and contort it until it fits my agenda" practice of the born again evangelical movement.
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