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Old September 30th, 2015, 06:37 PM   #21
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There is some more of that gutter source. This time its the lowest of the gutter. The United States Congress.
the plural of anecdote is not data.

i have heard anecdotal accounts of alien abduction survivors. should they be talking to congress too?
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Old September 30th, 2015, 06:39 PM   #22
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i have heard anecdotal accounts of alien abduction survivors. should they be talking to congress too?
They usually do not, but if you feel you can refute her sworn testimony go for it. That's how it works. If you make a sworn testimony, then unless it can be shown to be false, then it must be accepted as truth. At least from a legal perspective. So, if you think she is lying, then go for it. Refute it
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They usually do not, but if you feel you can refute her sworn testimony go for it. That's how it works. If you make a sworn testimony, then unless it can be shown to be false, then it must be accepted as truth. At least from a legal perspective. So, if you think she is lying, then go for it. Refute it
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They usually do not, but if you feel you can refute her sworn testimony go for it. That's how it works. If you make a sworn testimony, then unless it can be shown to be false, then it must be accepted as truth. At least from a legal perspective. So, if you think she is lying, then go for it. Refute it
Has a mental competency test been done?
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And, there ya have it. He was impeached after it was shown he lied under oath
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Has a mental competency test been done?
I do not know? Has it?
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i have heard anecdotal accounts of alien abduction survivors. should they be talking to congress too?
I am generally pro-choice. But, I do think there comes a point and time when the fetus is viable and the choice ends. If you disagree with me on late term abortions. Then what standard to you have? Do you have one? Easy yes or no question. 8.5 months into pregnancy. All plans are to have the child. Suddenly, at the very start of labor, you change your mind. Do you think you should be able to turn the birth into an abortion in the name of freedom of choice? Pretty simple yes or no question.
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They usually do not, but if you feel you can refute her sworn testimony go for it. That's how it works. If you make a sworn testimony, then unless it can be shown to be false, then it must be accepted as truth. At least from a legal perspective. So, if you think she is lying, then go for it. Refute it
i dont doubt her story. it has always been my position that at 7 1/2 months the window for doing an abortion has passed. any ethical doctor should not be doing an abortion unless there is a compelling medical reason to. and if there is a compelling reason to do an abortion at 7 1/2 months, do it properly, this woman and her mother were victims of medical negligence.

but there are not 44000 americans with this story to tell. there are very few. there are cases where this procedure was followed and the baby was born alive, technically, but with fatal problems and they died within minutes. or a 12 week non viable abortion that is seen to twitch after it is aborted. or a woman who books in for an abortion then changes her mind and never has one at all. and then this website packages all these accounts together and pretends they are all "abortion survivors".
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I am generally pro-choice. But, I do think there comes a point and time when the fetus is viable and the choice ends. If you disagree with me on late term abortions. Then what standard to you have? Do you have one? Easy yes or no question. 8.5 months into pregnancy. All plans are to have the child. Suddenly, at the very start of labor, you change your mind. Do you think you should be able to turn the birth into an abortion in the name of freedom of choice? Pretty simple yes or no question.
no.

my cut off is 24 weeks, 6 months. thats when the brain of the foetus can be considered to be functional. before that you have human tissue, once you have a working brain you have a human being. this is when the term "unborn child" becomes accurate.

at this stage, the term abortion doesnt apply. the correct term is euthanasia. now in extreme circumstances, where everything has gone catastrophically wrong, this might be the best course of action, but its not something you do lightly and its certainly not something you do often. if mum just decides that after 7-8 months of pregnancy she doesnt want to be a mum after all, well, its too late. talk to her about adoption.
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i dont doubt her story. it has always been my position that at 7 1/2 months the window for doing an abortion has passed. any ethical doctor should not be doing an abortion unless there is a compelling medical reason to. and if there is a compelling reason to do an abortion at 7 1/2 months, do it properly, this woman and her mother were victims of medical negligence.

but there are not 44000 americans with this story to tell. there are very few. there are cases where this procedure was followed and the baby was born alive, technically, but with fatal problems and they died within minutes. or a 12 week non viable abortion that is seen to twitch after it is aborted. or a woman who books in for an abortion then changes her mind and never has one at all. and then this website packages all these accounts together and pretends they are all "abortion survivors".
7.5 months? Wow. 24 weeks is considered the earliest point of viability. I see your point on padding the numbers. It happens on both sides of the aisle. I think your 7.5 month mark is two long. I understand why you go with that number, at least I think I do. Your looking at the amount of medical care it would take for the infant to survive. I figure if the capability is there for a 24 week old to survive and have normal life, and it is, then that is where the cut off should be at, or slightly before that actually. 20-22 weeks.
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