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Yes, I probably would 5 55.56%
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Old February 9th, 2016, 12:51 PM   #211
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This is just a quick post to set the record straight in this thread.

1. I quoted and sourced the link to the group of pediatricians ONLY as a response to Dragon's claim that hew was somehow an authority on the subject of abortion because he/ she claims to be a doctor.

2. PZ Meters discredited himself by claiming that a zygote is not an "organism." Even Planned Parenthood (cited earlier) disagrees with him on that. And the science dictionary definitions are abundantly clear that "any living thing" is as an organism. You can deny that a living human being in the zygote stage of their life is "a living thing" at your own peril. Funny how no science and biology books make the claim that Human Beings and other mammals come from "non living" beings called zygotes though.

3. Your personal attacks are the reason I won't be coming back to post on this site anymore. It's not only the taunts and the attacks though. It's also that the so called "moderators" join in the attacks and by "liking" them - they encourage it even more.

My time is worth too much for me to waste it on this site anymore.
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Old February 9th, 2016, 04:01 PM   #212
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This is just a quick post to set the record straight in this thread.

1. I quoted and sourced the link to the group of pediatricians ONLY as a response to Dragon's claim that hew was somehow an authority on the subject of abortion because he/ she claims to be a doctor.
Not quite true, you quoted and sourced a link to a group of pediatricians THAT AGREED WITH YOU. You didn't bother to find out if this group of pediatricians were the main stream or some fringe group. It turns out that they were a fringe group.


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2. PZ Meters discredited himself by claiming that a zygote is not an "organism." Even Planned Parenthood (cited earlier) disagrees with him on that. And the science dictionary definitions are abundantly clear that "any living thing" is as an organism. You can deny that a living human being in the zygote stage of their life is "a living thing" at your own peril. Funny how no science and biology books make the claim that Human Beings and other mammals come from "non living" beings called zygotes though.
A serious (and probably intentional) mischaracterization of what I've said here. I have NEVER claimed that a fetus (or zygote) was not alive. I've stated what most doctors agree with, that a fetus (or zygote) is not a HUMAN life. It does not become a human until the development of a brain at about 20-24 weeks. To say we are trying to claim a zygote is "non living" is just a lie.

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3. Your personal attacks are the reason I won't be coming back to post on this site anymore. It's not only the taunts and the attacks though. It's also that the so called "moderators" join in the attacks and by "liking" them - they encourage it even more.

My time is worth too much for me to waste it on this site anymore.
My "personal attacks" have been discrediting what you have posted. I have never said anything about you personally. You wanted to have an "interview" with me and I warned you from the start that it was not going to go well for you. Now you've just proven me correct.
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Old February 9th, 2016, 06:10 PM   #213
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Not quite true, you quoted and sourced a link to a group of pediatricians THAT AGREED WITH YOU. You didn't bother to find out if this group of pediatricians were the main stream or some fringe group. It turns out that they were a fringe group.




A serious (and probably intentional) mischaracterization of what I've said here. I have NEVER claimed that a fetus (or zygote) was not alive. I've stated what most doctors agree with, that a fetus (or zygote) is not a HUMAN life. It does not become a human until the development of a brain at about 20-24 weeks. To say we are trying to claim a zygote is "non living" is just a lie.



My "personal attacks" have been discrediting what you have posted. I have never said anything about you personally. You wanted to have an "interview" with me and I warned you from the start that it was not going to go well for you. Now you've just proven me correct.
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I've stated what most doctors agree with, that a fetus (or zygote) is not a HUMAN life. It does not become a human until the development of a brain at about 20-24 weeks. To say we are trying to claim a zygote is "non living" is just a lie.
This is a complete fabrication.
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Old February 10th, 2016, 03:11 PM   #214
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This is just a quick post to set the record straight in this thread.

1. I quoted and sourced the link to the group of pediatricians ONLY as a response to Dragon's claim that hew was somehow an authority on the subject of abortion because he/ she claims to be a doctor.
in the process you bragged about erasing my argument and deliberately didnt address it. you cut and pasted from another source, a transparent argument from authority, because you dont have arguments of your own.

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2. PZ Meters discredited himself by claiming that a zygote is not an "organism." Even Planned Parenthood (cited earlier) disagrees with him on that. And the science dictionary definitions are abundantly clear that "any living thing" is as an organism. You can deny that a living human being in the zygote stage of their life is "a living thing" at your own peril. Funny how no science and biology books make the claim that Human Beings and other mammals come from "non living" beings called zygotes though.
no pro choicer has ever denied that a zygote is alive, that it is a living thing. this is not a point of debate. a zygote is a living thing, we all agree. to try to make this into the point of debate is dishonest.

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3. Your personal attacks are the reason I won't be coming back to post on this site anymore. It's not only the taunts and the attacks though. It's also that the so called "moderators" join in the attacks and by "liking" them - they encourage it even more.
our "personal attacks" were not attacks at all, they were us asking you questions that you could not answer. it was us attacking your position on the abortion debate. consider this: you are unable to defend your position. your position was attacked and not defended.
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