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Old February 2nd, 2016, 10:45 AM   #101
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The high school drop-out part-time waitress is about to give us a lesson about the Constitution with her reply to these questions:

Show me where this fundemental right to abortion is in the Constitution after you explain the constitutional defintion of what a fundamental right is. But first explain what liberty means in the context of the Constitution.
At least I don't pretend to be something that I'm not. Again, there does not have to be anything in the Constitution that directly addresses abortion. The law as it has stood for 40 years is based on the state not being able to infringe on the fundamental liberties and privileges of a U.S. Citizen. If you have read the decision, it is spelled out right there for you. And you know it.
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The Constitution does not protect abortion and no rights to abortion can be found in the Constitution. That premise is based off of a Supreme Court ruling with no constitutional basis.
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Yep, once again Jimmyb declaring that he has a better grasp of the Constitution and the law then members of The Supreme Court.
The same Supreme Court said: "A State COULD establish that a human fetus is a human being / PERSON" and once a State does that "the case FOR abortion becomes nearly IMPOSSIBLE to make"

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=81NrWq3p5Ag

SINCE the SCOTUS said that, 38 States have passed fetal homicide laws.

The same Supreme Court is still upholding those fetal homicide laws.

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Again, using fetal homicide laws to support one's argument that personhood begins at conception is a red herring. Fetal homicide laws were passed as a way to make punishments harsher for the person who killed either the fetus or the woman and the fetus. It still comes down to a woman deciding her own medical choices or someone else stepping in and making them for her, both being wrong. Someone who kills a fetus that MIGHT have been wanted by the mother, has taken away her right to choose. And no one, not even the state has the right to do that, until it has compelling interest in doing so.
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Old February 2nd, 2016, 10:56 AM   #104
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At least I don't pretend to be something that I'm not. Again, there does not have to be anything in the Constitution that directly addresses abortion. The law as it has stood for 40 years is based on the state not being able to infringe on the fundamental liberties and privileges of a U.S. Citizen. If you have read the decision, it is spelled out right there for you. And you know it.
You could have just said that you are incapable of answering to make it shorter.

There has to be something explicitly in the Constitution to create a federal constitutional question to be legitimate, and if there is not something explicitly in the Constitution to create a federal, then it is not legitimate. Abortion or that type of privacy is not, nor was it intended, to be in the Constitution.

Post this fededal abortion law you speak of.

How many times are you going to dodge explaining what these "fundamental liberties and privileges" are and where they are in the Constitution.
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Again, for the terminally slow here, all that is written in the Roe decision. If you want to read it it will answer that question, and I have answered it for you before, quoting from it.
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You could have just said that you are incapable of answering to make it shorter.

There has to be something explicitly in the Constitution to create a federal constitutional question to be legitimate, and if there is not something explicitly in the Constitution to create a federal, then it is not legitimate. Abortion or that type of privacy is not, nor was it intended, to be in the Constitution.

Post this fededal abortion law you speak of.

How many times are you going to dodge explaining what these "fundamental liberties and privileges" are and where they are in the Constitution.
Actually something DOESN'T have to "explicitly in the Constitution. It's called the IX Amendemnt.

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The enumeration in the Constitution, of certain rights, shall not be construed to deny or disparage others retained by the people.
It's funny to watch a guy who claims our rights come from God now try to claim that we only have rights that are "explicitly in the Constitution".
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Again, using fetal homicide laws to support one's argument that personhood begins at conception is a red herring.
Funny. Because, that's not what the president of Planned Parenthood - Gloria Feldt said about it when the Unborn Victims of Violence Act was being deliberated and passed.

She said:"If they are able to make fetuses people in law with the same standing as women and men, then Roe will be moot,"

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Fetal homicide laws were passed as a way to make punishments harsher for the person who killed either the fetus or the woman and the fetus. It still comes down to a woman deciding her own medical choices or someone else stepping in and making them for her, both being wrong.
How then do you explain cases where the woman herself is charged and convicted for killing her OWN prenatal child in a criminal act?


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Someone who kills a fetus that MIGHT have been wanted by the mother, has taken away her right to choose. And no one, not even the state has the right to do that, until it has compelling interest in doing so.
You are missing the logic in this so let me lay it out for you.

1. The CHARGE in those cases is MURDER/ Homicide

2. MURDER by definition means that a "PERSON" was killed in the criminal act.

3. According to the 14th Amendment of the Constitution - ALL "PERSONS" are entitled to the "equal protections" of our laws.

4. Legalized abortions DENY those protections to the PERSONS who are being aborted.

Got it?
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Again, for the terminally slow here, all that is written in the Roe decision. If you want to read it it will answer that question, and I have answered it for you before, quoting from it.
I have read it, I know it, and you have no clue about Roe. This is a pathetic diversion because you cannot defend your statements.
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Old February 2nd, 2016, 11:06 AM   #109
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Funny. Because, that's not what the president of Planned Parenthood - Gloria Feldt said about it when the Unborn Victims of Violence Act was being deliberated and passed.

She said:"If they are able to make fetuses people in law with the same standing as women and men, then Roe will be moot,"



How then do you explain cases where the woman herself is charged and convicted for killing her OWN prenatal child in a criminal act?




You are missing the logic in this so let me lay it out for you.

1. The CHARGE in those cases is MURDER/ Homicide

2. MURDER by definition means that a "PERSON" was killed in the criminal act.

3. According to the 14th Amendment of the Constitution - ALL "PERSONS" are entitled to the "equal protections" of our laws.

4. Legalized abortions DENY those protections to the PERSONS who are being aborted.

Got it?
Fetal homicide laws are in place protecting a woman's right of self determination, because it places a harsher punishment on someone making the choice for her. Unless she violates the rights of the state's compelling interest in a viable fetus in which case she could be charged. Funny how you skip right over the woman who is also protected by that same concept in the 14th amendment.
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Old February 2nd, 2016, 11:06 AM   #110
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Actually something DOESN'T have to "explicitly in the Constitution. It's called the IX Amendemnt.



It's funny to watch a guy who claims our rights come from God now try to claim that we only have rights that are "explicitly in the Constitution".
Do you need another lesson regarding the Ninth Amendment as you have tam from the others?
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