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Old January 31st, 2016, 10:01 AM   #21
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And this is why your attempt to convince to me to your point of view is doomed to fail.

You see the idea of "brain activity" as a red herring, I see it as part of the very heart of the debate.
What do you have to loose by doing a Q & A about it then? It seems you are looking for a way back out of it after you agreed to it.

Would someone else rather do the interview?

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Old January 31st, 2016, 10:08 AM   #22
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What do you have to loose by doing a Q & A about it then? It seems you are looking for a way back out of it after you agreed to it.

Would someone else rather do the interview?

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I'm not looking for a way to back out...I'm just pointing out that your desired intent is pretty bleak considering that the basic assumptions we make about the argument are different.
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I'm not looking for a way to back out...I'm just pointing out that your desired intent is pretty bleak considering that the basic assumptions we make about the argument are different.
Dude, look at my posts so far.

Do you really think I'm worried about that this will be a challenge?

It would be great if I could actually persuade you to rethink your position. . . but it won't hurt my feelings if I fall short of that.

I seriously would like to do a solid interview with someone (anyone) who is confident enough with their views and intellectually honest enough to give me some straight answers to some straight questions.

In return, I promise to do the same.
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Dude, look at my posts so far.

Do you really think I'm worried about that this will be a challenge?

It would be great if I could actually persuade you to rethink your position. . . but it won't hurt my feelings if I fall short of that.

I seriously would like to do a solid interview with someone (anyone) who is confident enough with their views and intellectually honest enough to give me some straight answers to some straight questions.

In return, I promise to do the same.
I'm more than willing to do that...again, to what point?

You know my position....I know yours. Is there some question that you have that is suddenly going to make me question my position? I sincerely doubt it. Is there some answer I am going to give that will change yours? I doubt it.

We disagree on the fundamental aspect of the question...what makes a human being that is deserving of rights?

You seem to think it's genetics...as long as whatever it is posses the DNA of a human being then it is a human being and deserves all the rights of one. To me there is more than that.
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Old January 31st, 2016, 10:31 AM   #25
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I'm more than willing to do that...again, to what point?
I guess to the point where you refuse to answer any more questions or to the point when I have no more to ask.

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You know my position....I know yours. Is there some question that you have that is suddenly going to make me question my position?
Who knows?

I've noticed in some exchanges, the questions sometimes write themselves as the answers to an earlier question is explored.

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I sincerely doubt it. Is there some answer I am going to give that will change yours? I doubt it.
We won't know unless we try.

Right?

If nothing else, it will give us a clear picture of what it is that divides us.

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We disagree on the fundamental aspect of the question...what makes a human being that is deserving of rights?
True. And I can already think of a question that I intend to ask that would give you a chance to address that.

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You seem to think it's genetics...as long as whatever it is posses the DNA of a human being then it is a human being and deserves all the rights of one. To me there is more than that.
Again, I understand and appreciate where we differ.

I would still like to do a Q&A with you (or someone who shares your POV) if you (they) are interested.

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You can ask whatever questions you like and I will do my best to answer them honestly (as I have been doing all along). This does not mean I'm going to accept the premise of your question and just let it go.
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You can ask whatever questions you like and I will do my best to answer them honestly (as I have been doing all along). This does not mean I'm going to accept the premise of your question and just let it go.
Excellent.

Assuming we are ready to proceed. I would like to stick as close as possible to your comment that I quoted in the OP - where you said "Of course I would be against abortion if I were convinced a child were being harmed."

Can you tell me what the point is at which you believe the (non child) fetus becomes an undeniable "child" in your view?
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Excellent.

Assuming we are ready to proceed. I would like to stick as close as possible to your comment that I quoted in the OP - where you said "Of course I would be against abortion if I were convinced a child were being harmed."

Can you tell me what the point is at which you believe the (non child) fetus becomes an undeniable "child" in your view?
There is no exact moment. The best we can do is approximate.

There are two qualifications in my opinion

1) Viability outside of the womb is at least 50%
2) There is measurable brain activity.

Both of these are at about the 25 to 28 week range.

So I have no problem restricting abortions after week 26 or as HD put it, during the third trimester.
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Excellent.

Assuming we are ready to proceed. I would like to stick as close as possible to your comment that I quoted in the OP - where you said "Of course I would be against abortion if I were convinced a child were being harmed."

Can you tell me what the point is at which you believe the (non child) fetus becomes an undeniable "child" in your view?
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There is no exact moment. The best we can do is approximate.

There are two qualifications in my opinion

1) Viability outside of the womb is at least 50%
2) There is measurable brain activity.

Both of these are at about the 25 to 28 week range.

So I have no problem restricting abortions after week 26 or as HD put it, during the third trimester.
If I am understanding this correctly, you are claiming that a fetus must meet both these requirements before they can be legally recognized as a child.

Assuming that my assumption is correct, can you please share the legal source for where you are getting these qualifications from?
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If I am understanding this correctly, you are claiming that a fetus must meet both these requirements before they can be legally recognized as a child.

Assuming that my assumption is correct, can you please share the legal source for where you are getting these qualifications from?
No, I said nothing about legality.

The question was when did I consider a fetus becomes a child.
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