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Old February 1st, 2016, 03:24 PM   #41
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I was talking about legal definitions.

Are you saying that our legal definitions are out of date?

If so, why and how so?
The laws about "protection of unborn children" are recent. They were added AFTER the Supreme Court ruled in Roe v. Wade.

As I said, these laws have been enacted to do the very thing you are attempting to do right now. Use those laws to confer a "personhood" status on a fetus in an attempt to make abortion illegal.
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I was talking about legal definitions.

Are you saying that our legal definitions are out of date?

If so, why and how so?
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The laws about "protection of unborn children" are recent. They were added AFTER the Supreme Court ruled in Roe v. Wade.

As I said, these laws have been enacted to do the very thing you are attempting to do right now. Use those laws to confer a "personhood" status on a fetus in an attempt to make abortion illegal.
I asked you earlier ; Do you really believe that our basic human rights are something that is given to us of "conferred" upon us by society and or Government?
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I asked you earlier ; Do you really believe that our basic human rights are something that is given to us of "conferred" upon us by society and or Government?
No I do not.

We have rights simply by virtue of being human.

And that is EXACTLY why I used the term "confer" when talking about the "unborn child protection" laws.

This is an attempt by the anti abortion crowd to give rights to something that does not have them by virtue of being human....because a fetus is NOT a human...it is a human fetus, but in and of itself it is not a human.
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I asked you earlier ; Do you really believe that our basic human rights are something that is given to us of "conferred" upon us by society and or Government?
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No I do not.

We have rights simply by virtue of being human.

And that is EXACTLY why I used the term "confer" when talking about the "unborn child protection" laws.

This is an attempt by the anti abortion crowd to give rights to something that does not have them by virtue of being human....because a fetus is NOT a human...it is a human fetus, but in and of itself it is not a human.
If that is true Nwolfe35, don't you think those (fetal homicide) laws should be overturned?

Why do you suppose our Supreme Court did NOT strike those laws down when Planned Parenthood, The ACLU and NARAL challenged them?

Why do you suppose the SCOTUS still refuses challenges to those laws, today?

I know better than to think you speak for the court. However, I would like to see what you THINK the reasons are. Because, the way I see it - the denial of the fact that a human being in the fetal stage of their life is "a human being" has already been refuted and defeated.

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Common laws that protect unborn children predates Roe by 700 years.

This predates Roe. 42 American Jurispridence 2d, “Infants,” Section 2:

Biologically speaking, the life of the human being begins at the moment of conception in the mother's womb, and as a general rule of construction 'in the law', a legal personality is imputed to an unborn child for all purposes which would be beneficial to the infant after its birth. Thus in the law of inheritance a posthumous child is ordinarily deemed as born before the death of its parent, and in the construction of a will a posthumous child 'en ventre sa mere' at the time of the testator's death may ordinarily be included in the term 'children', 'grandchildren,' etc. A child unborn at the time of its parent's death has also been considered a 'child' of the decedent in determining beneficiaries of an award in a wrongful death action or in a workman's compensation case. The interest in an estate taken by the child at birth dates back to the time of conception or the later origination by intermediate proceeding to which it was not a party.
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No I do not.

We have rights simply by virtue of being human.

And that is EXACTLY why I used the term "confer" when talking about the "unborn child protection" laws.

This is an attempt by the anti abortion crowd to give rights to something that does not have them by virtue of being human....because a fetus is NOT a human...it is a human fetus, but in and of itself it is not a human.
The rights that we have are inalienable and came from God. Inalienable rights are not conferred or given.

A fetus is a distinct human being.
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The rights that we have are inalienable and came from God. Inalienable rights are not conferred or given.

A fetus is a distinct human being.
Repeat it all you want, it doesn't make it true.
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The rights that we have are inalienable and came from God. Inalienable rights are not conferred or given.

A fetus is a distinct human being.
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Repeat it all you want, it doesn't make it true.
"The embryonic, fetal, infant, child and adolescent stages are stages of development of a determinate and enduring entity — a human being — who comes into existence as a zygote and develops by a gradual and gapless process into adulthood many years later."

A denial can not make it false.
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Repeat it all you want, it doesn't make it true.
The difference is that I have over two-hundred years and volumes and volumes of orginal source documentation to substantiate my statement, and you cannot produce one single historical document to substitute your baseless claim.
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The difference is that I have over two-hundred years and volumes and volumes of orginal source documentation to substantiate my statement, and you cannot produce one single historical document to substitute your baseless claim.
That doesn't mean anything, the party that outlaws abortion turns a wedge issue that gets it more more votes than it costs it, into a real issue that costs it more votes than it gets it.
Why do you think they include a poison pill in every abortion law ?
Because they want to be against abortion, to get the anti-abortion nuts, but they want to keep abortion legal, so they don't consolidate the women's vote.
That's why abortion is legal, that's why it will stay legal.
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