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Old February 1st, 2016, 08:54 PM   #51
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That doesn't mean anything, the party that outlaws abortion turns a wedge issue that gets it more more votes than it costs it, into a real issue that costs it more votes than it gets it.
Why do you think they include a poison pill in every abortion law ?
Because they want to be against abortion, to get the anti-abortion nuts, but they want to keep abortion legal, so they don't consolidate the women's vote.
That's why abortion is legal, that's why it will stay legal.
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The author of that quote has it ass backwards. It's not that the zygote "defines a person." It's that the definition FOR the word "person" is broad enough to INCLUDE a human being in ANY stage of their life, growth and or development.

This gets to a question or two that I intended to ask later in our Q&A but I may as well ask them now.

Do you agree that legal definitions for things like "personhood" must be broad enough to include all human beings, regardless of age, race, creed or level of development?

Our Constitution says that "all persons" are entitled to the "equal protections of our laws."

Do you read that "ALL" as inclusive or exclusive?
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Old February 1st, 2016, 09:21 PM   #54
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The author of that quote has it ass backwards. It's not that the zygote "defines a person." It's that the definition FOR the word "person" is broad enough to INCLUDE a human being in ANY stage of their life, growth and or development.

This gets to a question or two that I intended to ask later in our Q&A but I may as well ask them now.

Do you agree that legal definitions for things like "personhood" must be broad enough to include all human beings, regardless of age, race, creed or level of development?

Our Constitution says that "all persons" are entitled to the "equal protections of our laws."

Do you read that "ALL" as inclusive or exclusive?
The author of that quote, PZ Meyers, is a despicable atheist propagandist, hated equally by Christians and atheists. He is the poster child regarding how devoid of morals and character atheists are.
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The obviously ideologically biased author of your quoted article also said this in another of his articles.

"On the plus side, watching Republicans poop the bed over and over again would be vastly entertaining. Just recently, Rick Santorum said something stupid, for example (and who are we kidding? Santorum has like an all-automated electric stupidity generator permanently mounted in his mouth.)"

He has a right to his opinions of course.

I'll leave it to others to decide for their self bout your authors objectivity and credibility as a 'scientist.'

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The obviously ideologically biased author of your quoted article also said this in another of his articles.

"On the plus side, watching Republicans poop the bed over and over again would be vastly entertaining. Just recently, Rick Santorum said something stupid, for example (and who are we kidding? Santorum has like an all-automated electric stupidity generator permanently mounted in his mouth.)"

He has a right to his opinions of course.

I'll leave it to others to decide for their self bout your authors objectivity and credibility as a 'scientist.'
This is the guy who cheered the accidental death of a priest, then fantasized about killing priests. This is the source for posters here.
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This is the guy who cheered the accidental death of a priest, then fantasized about killing priests. This is the source for posters here.
I generally don't like discrediting sources, it's just not usually my thing. But I don't see how anyone would think that guy is capable of having an objective point of view on anything in science that runs counter to his political views.
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The author of that quote has it ass backwards. It's not that the zygote "defines a person." It's that the definition FOR the word "person" is broad enough to INCLUDE a human being in ANY stage of their life, growth and or development.

This gets to a question or two that I intended to ask later in our Q&A but I may as well ask them now.

Do you agree that legal definitions for things like "personhood" must be broad enough to include all human beings, regardless of age, race, creed or level of development?

Our Constitution says that "all persons" are entitled to the "equal protections of our laws."

Do you read that "ALL" as inclusive or exclusive?
ALL is inclusive....of human beings which, as I have said before, does not include collections of cells that do not have brain activity.

And, as I said before, this is going to be the sticking point of our discussion. You will continue to insist that humanity begins at conception and I will continue disagree.
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I generally don't like discrediting sources, it's just not usually my thing. But I don't see how anyone would think that guy is capable of having an objective point of view on anything in science that runs counter to his political views.
So because his political view disagrees with yours then his scientific view must be biased (and thus not worthy of consideration)?
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The obviously ideologically biased author of your quoted article also said this in another of his articles.

"On the plus side, watching Republicans poop the bed over and over again would be vastly entertaining. Just recently, Rick Santorum said something stupid, for example (and who are we kidding? Santorum has like an all-automated electric stupidity generator permanently mounted in his mouth.)"

He has a right to his opinions of course.

I'll leave it to others to decide for their self bout your authors objectivity and credibility as a 'scientist.'
Funny how you are trying to discredit him as a scientist by attacking his political views.

Wouldn't his education in science be the factor in deciding whether or not he has credibility as a scientist?
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