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Old February 1st, 2016, 09:17 PM   #71
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And again, you judge his bias by the fact that he disagrees with you.
No. I judge his bias by the way he mixes his political views among his scientific opinion, himself.

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But you attempted to call into question his credibility as a scientist by bringing up his political views without mentioning ONCE his scientific qualifications.
Do YOU believe he is completely objective in his scientific views and would be so, even if the scientific findings conflicted with his own preference for the outcome? Be honest.

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That, to me, shows me that YOU are biased and brings into question YOUR credibility.
That's very funny, because I said up front when I joined this forum that I wish that someone could prove me wrong on my conclusions. "I don't like living with the thought that children are being denied their rights and are being killed in abortions"

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And his character is lacking because his political views disagree with yours or because his scientific views disagree with yours?...
No.

It's not that he disagrees with my political views that makes him a discredit to himself. It's HOW he says it.

For the most part, for your conduct in this thread as an example, I would find YOU to be quite a bit more credible than a guy fromeither party who says watching someone "poop the bed" is "entertaining."
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Old February 1st, 2016, 09:18 PM   #72
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Are you a father?
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Nope
Okay.. . but you do HAVE a father.

Correct?
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Old February 1st, 2016, 09:24 PM   #73
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Hated by atheists?

PZ Myers is the winner of the American Humanist's associations 2009 Humanist of the Year award and 2011 International Humanist Award.

The Journal Nature listed his blog Pharyngula as the top rated blog by a scientist by popularity.
Winning the American Humanist's Award would be akin to winning the American pedifile award. His blog is too rated by visits, not quality.

Arheist Michael Nugent:

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This is one of the most contemptible and inhumane things I've ever seen posted by a well-known atheist. It reeks of arrogance, of condescension, and especially of a lack of empathy for those who loved and admired Williams not because they knew him, but because he brought them happiness and made them think.
Atheist Ireland made a public apology for Meyer's speech: "publicly dissociating itself from the hurtful and dehumanising, hateful and violent, unjust and defamatory rhetoric of the atheist blogger PZ Myers."
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No. I judge his bias by the way he mixes his political views among his scientific opinion, himself.
How much of PZ Myers have you read?

Other than what I and jimmyb have posted?



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Do YOU believe he is completely objective in his scientific views and would be so, even if the scientific findings conflicted with his own preference for the outcome? Be honest.
Here is the problem that most non scientists have with science.

Scientists do not have a "preference for the outcome".

Science asks the question and then looks for the answer. Religion provides the answer and then avoids the questions.




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That's very funny, because I said up front when I joined this forum that I wish that someone could prove me wrong on my conclusions. "I don't like living with the thought that children are being denied their rights and are being killed in abortions"
That isn't you wishing that someone could prove you wrong...that's you wishing you could prove those that disagree with you wrong.



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No.

It's not that he disagrees with my political views that makes him a discredit to himself. It's HOW he says it.

For the most part, for your conduct in this thread as an example, I would find YOU to be quite a bit more credible than a guy fromeither party who says watching someone "poop the bed" is "entertaining."
HOW someone says something is not any kind of indication of whether or not what they say is true or credible.

It may upset you, it may anger you, it may even cause you to stop listening to them....but WHAT they say is where you look for truth and credibility, not HOW they say it.
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Okay.. . but you do HAVE a father.

Correct?
Obviously.
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Winning the American Humanist's Award would be akin to winning the American pedifile award. His blog is too rated by visits, not quality.
Pedifile? Do you mean pedophile?

Are you really trying to equate humanism with pedophilia?


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Atheist Ireland made a public apology for Meyer's speech: "publicly dissociating itself from the hurtful and dehumanising, hateful and violent, unjust and defamatory rhetoric of the atheist blogger PZ Myers."
Disagreement with some atheists does not equate to hatred by most atheists.
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Ok, I have a line of questioning that I would like to try to see if I can get beyond that. Would you be willing to continue?
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Ask away...just don't be too upset if you don't like the answers.
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Nope
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Okay.. . but you do HAVE a father.

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Obviously.
Great.

Can you post a definition for the word "father" as it applies to a biological child - that you agree with?
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Great.

Can you post a definition for the word "father" as it applies to a biological child - that you agree with?
The guy who provides the sperm.
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Old February 1st, 2016, 10:01 PM   #79
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How much of PZ Myers have you read?

Other than what I and jimmyb have posted?
I read A LOT! Especially online. And I don't only read things that I would politically agree with.

However, I don't generally follow particular authors. So, I honestly don't know how much of this guys stuff I have read.

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Here is the problem that most non scientists have with science.

Scientists do not have a "preference for the outcome".
I have no problem with that at all. In fact, that's the way it SHOULD be.

Your author not only has a preference in the outcome. He makes no bones about it.

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Science asks the question and then looks for the answer. Religion provides the answer and then avoids the questions.
I can't say I agree with that.

From what I recall in school, there were several examples given for how religious beliefs stemmed from early man's quest to explain events that were witnessed in the "heavens" and such. Believing that earthquakes and volcano eruptions were signs that the Gods were angry, for example.

That had to start with the question "why is the ground shaking?" for example.
Religions was their attempt to answer the question with the little knowledge they had to explain it any other way.

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That isn't you wishing that someone could prove you wrong...that's you wishing you could prove those that disagree with you wrong.
That's simply not true.

I genuinely wish that I was wrong on the subject of abortion. I would much rather feel better about mankind during the time I have been alive on this Earth - than to think we turned a blind eye to the killing of more than 50 Million children.

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HOW someone says something is not any kind of indication of whether or not what they say is true or credible.
If you truly believe that, try testing that theory at your next job interview.

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It may upset you, it may anger you, it may even cause you to stop listening to them....but WHAT they say is where you look for truth and credibility, not HOW they say it.
I read what he said and I responded to what he said accordingly.

He said "Pretending that 46 chromosomes in a cell is sufficient to define a person is the most absurd kind of extreme biological reductionism."

Of course it's absurd. Because he has it ASS backwards.

Personhood is not "Defined" by DNA alone and it certainly isn't defined by the characteristics or attributes that an organism may only temporarily LACK.

Organisms are grouped together and identified by the attributes they HAVE.

The author is trying to essentially say that a human being/ child / person is NOT a human being/ child/person unless and until they live too long and then develop past some magical arbitrarily drawn point - after which they can not be denied anymore.

That's where you and he are being EXCLUSIVE and not INCLUSIVE with the ideas of personhood.
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Ok, I have a line of questioning that I would like to try to see if I can get beyond that. Would you be willing to continue?
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Ask away...just don't be too upset if you don't like the answers.
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Are you a father?
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Nope
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Okay.. . but you do HAVE a father.

Correct?
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Obviously.
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Great.

Can you post a definition for the word "father" as it applies to a biological child - that you agree with?
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The guy who provides the sperm.
I'm sorry, I didn't mean your own definition. I meant to ask for one from a scientific source that you trust.
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