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Old April 2nd, 2016, 04:03 PM   #1
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Trump's abortion gaffe highlights GOP's intellectual dishonesty

In terms of consistency of application, Trump had a point ... until he changed his mind, sorta.

However, the gap between the GOP platform and GOP reality, such as it is, is huge.

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As a matter of politics, Donald Trump's comment that women who have abortions should suffer "some form of punishment" was a disaster. As a matter of intellectual and moral consistency, Trump's got a point -- one that exposes a fundamental tension in the Republican Party between its assertion that life begins at conception and the legal and moral implications of that absolutist view.

The party's platform has been clear for years, even if its own presidential candidates, for obvious reasons of self-protection, have strayed from its strict dictates.

"We assert the sanctity of human life and affirm that the unborn child has a fundamental individual right to life which cannot be infringed," the 2012 platform stated, echoing a plank that has been present since 1984. In other words, no exceptions for pregnancies that result from rape or incest.

Indeed, if the fetus has a "fundamental individual right to life," why should it matter in any way how the pregnancy came into being? Either abortion is the taking of a human life -- that is, murder -- in which case it should not be permitted, or it isn't. (To be clear, I'm in the it-isn't-murder camp.)

But here's the problem with the party platform: This stance is out of sync with the vast majority of voters. Which is why the last five Republican presidential nominees -- Mitt Romney, John McCain, George W. Bush, Bob Dole and George H.W. Bush -- all supported exceptions for rape, incest and the life of the mother. So do Trump and John Kasich; Ted Cruz does not back exceptions in the case of rape and incest.

The question of whether to punish a woman who obtains an abortion raises similar issues. If abortion is the taking of a human life, why punish only the doctor who performs the abortion, and not the woman who procures one? Surely no prosecutor would fail to bring charges against a mother who murdered her newborn child. If the fetus is in the same legal position as a child, why not charge the mother?

...Trump's gaffe was telling. It revealed not only his own unreadiness for prime-time, but his party's intellectual dishonesty on this most incendiary of issues.
Trump's abortion gaffe highlights GOP's intellectual dishonesty: Ruth Marcus | OregonLive.com
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Quite the challenge the Republican party always presents their candidates. How does one get the support of the party to get the nomination but not alienate the majority of voters?
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Quite the challenge the Republican party always presents their candidates. How does one get the support of the party to get the nomination but not alienate the majority of voters?
How does one get the support of the party to get the nomination but not alienate the majority of voters, while remaining pro-life and thus true to God's will?
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How does one get the support of the party to get the nomination but not alienate the majority of voters, while remaining pro-life and thus true to God's will?
That is the big one most elections.
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That is the big one most elections.
It's pretty clear. The GOP platform is true to God's will. But the last string of GOP presidential nominees and presidents sure as hell haven't been true to God's will.

No wonder the GOP is coming apart at the seams. God has cursed the GOP for its intellectual dishonesty and its multiple hypocrisies.
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Trump is the only politician I have ever seen that speaks his mind,the rest are fakes.I like him.
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Trump's "abortion gaffe" was a classical Liberal media hit and smear trick...Chris Matthews is not a journalist, and he was asking convoluted hypothetical questions.....Trump stepped on Matthews clumsily laid land mine...That is all....Trump should have been smart enough to stay 1000 miles away from a guttersnipe like Matthews and his hit team at MSLSD....
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Trump's "abortion gaffe" was a classical Liberal media hit and smear trick...Chris Matthews is not a journalist, and he was asking convoluted hypothetical questions.....Trump stepped on Matthews clumsily laid land mine...That is all....Trump should have been smart enough to stay 1000 miles away from a guttersnipe like Matthews and his hit team at MSLSD....
The GOP platform says no abortions for anyone, anytime, and has said that since 1984, yet other than idiot-fuck GOP Santorums, you never hear GOP candidates insisting that the pregnant 12-year old who was beaten senseless by her brother and then raped should have to bear that child.

However, that's exactly what the GOP platform says.

That fact doesn't have anything to do with Trump or Matthews.
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In terms of consistency of application, Trump had a point ... until he changed his mind, sorta.

However, the gap between the GOP platform and GOP reality, such as it is, is huge.



Trump's abortion gaffe highlights GOP's intellectual dishonesty: Ruth Marcus | OregonLive.com
Funny, isn't it? When Trump stumbled over his comments on women being penalized over illegal abortions, one of his supporters, a lady herself, said that it was a "misspeak". Say what? Yet deep inside how did she really feel when he made those comments before backing off?
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Trump is the only politician I have ever seen that speaks his mind,the rest are fakes.I like him.


Yes, Trump certainly speaks his mind. So do psychopaths and 5 year olds.
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