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Old May 5th, 2016, 11:58 AM   #1
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Dear Pro-Life American,

For 43 years, a few unelected men and women on the Supreme Court have played God with innocent human life.

They have invented laws that condemned to painful deaths without trial more than 61 million babies for the crime of being "inconvenient."

In 1973, the U.S. Supreme Court's Roe v. Wade ruling forced abortion-on-demand down our nation's throat.

In the past, many in the pro-life movement have felt limited to protecting a life here and there -- passing some limited law to slightly control abortion in the more outrageous cases.

But some pro-lifers always seem to tiptoe around the Supreme Court, hoping they won't be offended.

Now the time to grovel before the Supreme Court is over.

Working from what the Supreme Court ruled in Roe v. Wade, pro-life lawmakers can pass a Life at Conception Act and end abortion using the Constitution instead of amending it.

That is why it's so urgent you sign the petition to your Senators and Congressman that I will link to in a moment.

Thanks to the results of the last election, you and I are in a better than ever position to force an up or down roll call vote on the Life at Conception Act.

And your petition will help do just that.

Signing the Life at Conception Act petition will help break through the opposition clinging to abortion-on-demand and ultimately win a vote on this life-saving bill to overturn Roe v. Wade.

A Life at Conception Act declares unborn children "persons" as defined by the 14th Amendment to the Constitution, entitled to legal protection.

This is the one thing the Supreme Court admitted in Roe v. Wade that would cause the case for legal abortion to "collapse."

When the Supreme Court handed down its now-infamous Roe v. Wade decision, it did so based on a new, previously undefined "right of privacy" which it "discovered" in so-called "emanations" of "penumbrae" of the Constitution.

Of course, as constitutional law it was a disaster.

But never once did the Supreme Court declare abortion itself to be a constitutional right.

Instead the Supreme Court said:

"We need not resolve the difficult question of when life begins... the judiciary at this point in the development of man's knowledge is not in a position to speculate as to the answer."

Then the High Court made a key admission:

"If this suggestion of personhood is established, the appellant's case [i.e., "Roe" who sought an abortion], of course, collapses, for the fetus' right to life is then guaranteed specifically by the [14th] Amendment."

The fact is, the 14th Amendment couldn't be clearer:

"... nor shall any state deprive any person of life, liberty or property, without due process of law, nor deny to any person within its jurisdiction the equal protection of the law."

Furthermore, the 14th Amendment says:

"Congress shall have power to enforce, by appropriate legislation, the provisions of this article."

That's exactly what a Life at Conception Act would do.

But this simple, logical and obviously right legislation will not become law without a fight.

And that's where your help is critical.

You see, it will be a tough fight, but I believe with your signed petition it is one we can win.

By turning up the heat through a massive, national, grass-roots campaign in this session of Congress, one of two things will happen.

If you and other pro-life activists pour on enough pressure, pro-lifers can force politicians from both parties who were elected on pro-life platforms to make good on their promises and ultimately win passage of this bill.

But even if a Life at Conception Act doesn't pass immediately, the public attention will send another crew of radical abortionists down to defeat in the 2016 elections.

Either way, the unborn win... unless you do nothing.

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So then, "the difficult (scientific) question of when life begins" will be answered simply by an act of US Congressional Legislation?

In other words, that supposed answer would be based upon the outcome of a vote rather than objective observation?

Good luck with that rather unscientific approach in answering a scientific question.


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So then, "the difficult (scientific) question of when life begins" will be answered simply by an act of US Congressional Legislation?

In other words, that supposed answer would be based upon the outcome of a vote rather than objective observation?

Good luck with that rather unscientific approach in answering a scientific question.


Just within the first few lines where the claim of "painful deaths" is made makes it obvious that science is the last thing they care about.
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Just within the first few lines where the claim of "painful deaths" is made makes it obvious that science is the last thing they care about.
Well, next to last...with the last thing being the privacy and self-determination of women.

(I sometimes wonder, regarding the Christian religious type of pro-life individuals, why they pray in front of a cross instead of a picture of a just-fertilized human egg. It seems the egg might be more fitting.)
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Old May 14th, 2016, 09:44 AM   #5
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Just within the first few lines where the claim of "painful deaths" is made makes it obvious that science is the last thing they care about.
So in your learned opinion a fetus can't feel pain, right!
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So in your learned opinion a fetus can't feel pain, right!
Up to a point, yes.
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if congress passed a law saying "life begins at 20 weeks gestation" would you suddenly agree with early stage abortions?

or would you just argue "congress got it wrong"?
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