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Old December 22nd, 2016, 10:38 AM   #31
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you used the absolute accurate phrase: DEVELOP INTO.....as in: IT'S NOT A HUMAN BEING YET

This applies here too..... when 2 human gametes join they become a human zygote...with human DNA, not a fruit fly's or an amoeba's DNA... The question now becomes "does life begin when the gametes meet??....or sometime later on??....it's either A or B
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Old December 22nd, 2016, 10:54 AM   #32
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zygote =/= human

The data in the graph was to show that even in the US, one of the most socially conservative countries in the developed world, a majority of people do disagree with you on this.

If you choose to let your definition of right and wrong come from an old book written by goatfuckers, that's your right.

But it is not your right to inflict that on us thinking people.
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zygote =/= human

The data in the graph was to show that even in the US, one of the most socially conservative countries in the developed world, a majority of people do disagree with you on this.

If you choose to let your definition of right and wrong come from an old book written by goatfuckers, that's your right.

But it is not your right to inflict that on us thinking people.

still defending your apples and oranges argument??.... I never said if I do or do not agree with abortion... So what are you babbling about??....I said that the zygote has human DNA....that is a scientific fact....and if the rest of the USofA does not agree, I could care less.. I am asking...."when does human life begin??"....Does that life have rights??....And the argument that a woman has the right to do with her body as she pleases is a false concept....can she then sell her body as a prostitute if she wants to ??... Only if she is in Nevada...


And whether you and the rest of who ever you are referring to as "us" are thinking people is another opinion.. I'll stick with the opinions of the old goatfuckers............
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Old December 22nd, 2016, 11:47 AM   #34
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still defending your apples and oranges argument??.... I never said if I do or do not agree with abortion... So what are you babbling about??....I said that the zygote has human DNA....that is a scientific fact....and if the rest of the USofA does not agree, I could care less.. I am asking...."when does human life begin??"....Does that life have rights??....And the argument that a woman has the right to do with her body as she pleases is a false concept....can she then sell her body as a prostitute if she wants to ??... Only if she is in Nevada...


And whether you and the rest of who ever you are referring to as "us" are thinking people is another opinion.. I'll stick with the opinions of the old goatfuckers............
Well, congratulations on one thing, admitting that it is the goatfucker's opinion.

As to when human life begins, from a legal, rather than a moral perspective, I'd use birth. Even then there is an argument about when exactly that is.

From a moral perspective, i waffle between viability and sentience. Although with the technological strides taken recently, and happening more and more, I am backing off the viability stance. There are many true horror stories about infants that were born severely premature and lived, if you want to call it that.

The pro-lifers like to take the odd success story and present that as the norm, but it isn't.
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As to when human life begins, from a legal, rather than a moral perspective, I'd use birth. Even then there is an argument about when exactly that is.
This is where the legal definition contradicts it self.... If you get into an accident and hit a pregnant woman....the fetus dies....You get charged with manslaughter... How??....if the unborn fetus has no rights....

If a person either accidentally or negligently or through deliberately injuring the mother and thereby killing the unborn fetus, that is manslaughter...But if the mother consciously decides to terminate the life of that fetus, that is not manslaughter??..Explain that to me...
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This is where the legal definition contradicts it self.... If you get into an accident and hit a pregnant woman....the fetus dies....You get charged with manslaughter... How??....if the unborn fetus has no rights....

If a person either accidentally or negligently or through deliberately injuring the mother and thereby killing the unborn fetus, that is manslaughter...But if the mother consciously decides to terminate the life of that fetus, that is not manslaughter??..Explain that to me...
Not in Canada.

That was a fight taken up by the fundie menace in the US that the normal people decided not to battle, IIRC. And there are many inconsistencies in the law. Also, I can't remember if that is federal or just some states.

In Canada, cruelty to animals carry longer sentences than assault against a person.

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Old December 22nd, 2016, 12:08 PM   #37
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To expand on my position a bit more, I would love to be wise enough to craft a law regulating abortions after 20 weeks that wouldn't allow the fundie menace to use as the nose under the tent leading to harsher and harsher restrictions on all abortions. Until then I would rather err to the side of laxer laws to ensure that health of mother and baby can always be protected. And that includes mental health.
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zygote =/= human.
Canadian =/= human.
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Old December 22nd, 2016, 04:51 PM   #39
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just because compost turns into plants doesn't mean you need weed killer to take out the garbage

you used the absolute accurate phrase: DEVELOP INTO

as in: IT'S NOT A HUMAN BEING YET


I LOVE IT WHEN YOU TRANSLATE!
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Old December 24th, 2016, 04:17 AM   #40
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A human is a human, there is no other definition....It has something to do with DNA.....
Actually the definition of a human is only partially dependent on DNA.

A human skin cell has DNA (human DNA at that) but I don't seen anyone advocating for "skin cell rights"
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