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Old July 12th, 2018, 08:24 AM   #31
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So you are all bent out of shape because no one has made it clear that if a man gets pregnant, it's his body and he has the right to an abortion?

Is that what is getting you upset?
I'm not bent out of shape or getting upset at all & there's nothing about this issue that's going to stir up that sort of reaction in me. The only reaction this could potentially stir up in me would be to cause me to roll my eyes, briefly shake my head, or maybe simply snicker to hear "a woman's right to choose" rather than something like "a human's right to choose" from the same type of people who say that individuals can choose their sex or gender. The reason I would have that reaction is because they're exposing their hypocrisy or inconsistency.

Is it getting upset or bent out of shape for someone to roll their eyes or briefly shake their head, to you?

If you hear someone say "a woman's right to choose", are you going to point out to them that they're being inconsiderate of men also having the right to choose"?
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Old July 12th, 2018, 08:44 AM   #32
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I'm not bent out of shape or getting upset at all & there's nothing about this issue that's going to stir up that sort of reaction in me. The only reaction this could potentially stir up in me would be to cause me to roll my eyes, briefly shake my head, or maybe simply snicker to hear "a woman's right to choose" rather than something like "a human's right to choose" from the same type of people who say that individuals can choose their sex or gender. The reason I would have that reaction is because they're exposing their hypocrisy or inconsistency.

Is it getting upset or bent out of shape for someone to roll their eyes or briefly shake their head, to you?

If you hear someone say "a woman's right to choose", are you going to point out to them that they're being inconsiderate of men also having the right to choose"?
There is a vast difference between identifying as one sex or another in your head, and having the reproductive organs that match the sex with which you identify.

The fact that you might feel that you are a female in your brain, does not magically cause you to grow a uterus.

When the phrase 'a womans right to choose' came into usage, identifying as the opposite sex mentally was not an issue and therefore, not a consideration regarding the phrasing of said statement.

If it makes you feel better you can attempt to get the phrase 'a pregnant persons right to choose' to catch on. Personally, I don't think you'll have any more luck than Nicholas Cage did with 'put the bunny back in the box'. though.
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Old July 12th, 2018, 08:55 AM   #33
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There is a vast difference between identifying as one sex or another in your head, and having the reproductive organs that match the sex with which you identify.

The fact that you might feel that you are a female in your brain, does not magically cause you to grow a uterus.

When the phrase 'a womans right to choose' came into usage, identifying as the opposite sex mentally was not an issue and therefore, not a consideration regarding the phrasing of said statement.

If it makes you feel better you can attempt to get the phrase 'a pregnant persons right to choose' to catch on. Personally, I don't think you'll have any more luck than Nicholas Cage did with 'put the bunny back in the box'. though.
Let's clear something up - I never claimed that a person who is born biologically with male genitalia can magically make the male genitalia disappear, and spawn female genitalia in its place, by merely saying or wishing that he's a female.

There are women who identify as men and are going through hormonal treatment to appear more like men; this is a fact. They're the ones with the wombs because they were born biologically with female genitalia. They still have a functioning womb and are still capable of getting pregnant.
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Old July 12th, 2018, 09:48 AM   #34
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Why is it only considered a woman's right to choose what she does with her body? Why isn't it also a man's right to choose what he does with his body?

I thought we were supposed to let a person decide whether he or she is a man or a woman.

If a pregnant human being who wants to have an abortion says that he wants to be identified as a man, does he not also have the same right to choose what he does with his body?

I think you've done smoked yourself stupid.
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Old July 12th, 2018, 10:02 AM   #35
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I think you've done smoked yourself stupid.
I don't smoke, but that's irrelevant, because I don't matter. What matters is consistency.
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