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Old February 10th, 2011, 12:54 PM   #51
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I heard Dianne Feinstein expressing concerns about Egypt and the role of Islamists. She was concerned, but "wasn't sure" where everything was going to end up.



I sent her office an email, telling her that WT says that there is no chance of Islamists taking over in Egypt.


Well, do the Islamists really want to run Egypt? If so, then it will be an Iranian-backed government. The news reports say that Mubarak may step down soon, granting the protesters their wish.
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That would be all well and good if I had said that. But it's a lie. And it's right there for all to read so...









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The Glen Beck, Rush Limbaugh, right wing fringe wacky pack thinks exactly the same way some here do about calling all Muslims scum and not respecting the fact that any religion if allowed power of rule, becomes exactly what we have seen over and over again throughout history. Tyrannical murderous regimes.




Your feeble and disingenuous attempts at moral relativism fail as per usual.



FYI David Cameron is Prime Minister of the UK, a country where the Head of State, HM Queen Elizabeth, is also head of the Church of England, which means the UK meets one definition of a theocracy.



Yet the UK has officially permitted religious freedom since 1689, almost 100 years before some British ex-pats wrote the US Constitution.



The fact that Britain is one of the most free and most accepting societies in the world - including acceptance of Muslims - is proof that Christian contries do NOT necessartily seek to persecute other religions.



So your US-centric bigotry is ill-founded and centuries out of date.



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Your feeble and disingenuous attempts at moral relativism fail as per usual.



FYI David Cameron is Prime Minister of the UK, a country where the Head of State, HM Queen Elizabeth, is also head of the Church of England, which means the UK meets one definition of a theocracy.



Yet the UK has officially permitted religious freedom since 1689, almost 100 years before some British ex-pats wrote the US Constitution.



The fact that Britain is one of the most free and most accepting societies in the world - including acceptance of Muslims - is proof that Christian contries do NOT necessartily seek to persecute other religions.



So your US-centric bigotry is ill-founded and centuries out of date.





Guess what? That technicality is really not the same thing as a theocracy. So the rest of your tripe is useless as usual. There are Christians also living in Muslim countries that aren't persecuted. I didn't say anything about that anyway. I wasn't referring to one religion in power persecuting the others. I am talking about when religion is the power of the state, it abuses everyone and severely limits their civil rights. Try to keep up.
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I was responding to your ludicrous comparison of talk show hosts and Osama Bin Laden both inciting violence at equivalent levels, which is just as "whack" as the Hitler/Bush and Hitler/Obama comparisons.



Your last sentence made no sense. I don't listent to talk radio at all so the last clause ("shouldn't listen to it at all") makes no sense. You watch TV and listen to radio, and the double negative ... I assume you meant I shouldn't watch TV if I only do so for entertainment purposes. Television isn't exactly the best source of news.


How in the heck can you tell me it's not a good comparison leighredf, someone like me who listens to this crap mostly everyday, if you said that you DON'T? And if you read anything that I wrote I did mention "JUST NOT TO THAT LEVEL" as far as how people like Bin Laden and conservative talk radio host like Glenn Beck, Micheal Savage, or Mark Levin speak this dog whistle language that motivates the so called "lone wolves" to commit acts of terror. It's call (and I figured I spelled it wrong) stochastic terrorism. I'll explain what I mean and why I make the comparison.





[media]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PVqK0Yr9ljs[/media]







Okay here's how it works, very simply. If I'm running an add for a new cars or for a new cooling system in your house, I know that about 99% of the people listening to the radio or television don't need a new cooling system. They're not the ones I'm targeting with my ad. I trying to reach out to the people who has notice that their cooling system isn't doing as well as it should, it's old, or inefficient and have it in their minds already that it needs to be changed. so I write ad and design it in a way so that it gets their attention and say 'HEY IF YOU'RE ONE OF THOSE SMALL PERCENTAGE OF PEOPLE.' you know the rest.



Stochastic terrorism is using the media to reach out to "lone wolves" and flip them on, just like if I'm advertising the cooling system, I'm reaching out to people who have dysfunctional A.C.s and I'm flipping them on to call up and buy my new product.



So when some talk radio host like Glen Beck says (as he has)



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The clock is ticking….The war is just beginning….Shoot me in the head if you try to change our government….You have to be prepared to take rocks to the head….The other side is attacking….There is a coup going on….Grab a torch!…Drive a stake through the heart of the blood suckers….They are taking you to a place to be slaughtered….They are putting a gun to America’s head….Hold these people responsible.”


He's not talking to the average radio listener, and he knows it. When these right wing hate talk guys (and there's is no equivalent on the left, and there's no institution on the left that's promoting this thing) When these right wing hate guys are talking they are doing the almost the exact same thing Osama Bin Laden did when he would release a video form his cave in Pakistan. And that is reach out to the "lone wolves" (there's no direct connection) reach out to the people who are thinking you know maybe somebody should commit an act of terrorism, maybe somebody should to blow up a car in time square, maybe somebody should shoot up a military base, maybe somebody should shoot a congress woman or man. They are reaching out to those people and they're saying yes, now is the time, do it.



You know in the eight years of the Bush administration I haven't heard of a single act of violence by anybody motivated by or connected by the left against the Bush administration. Now in the first 24 months of the Obama administration 7 deranged white guy "lone wolves" had committed multiple murders. You think this is a cawensidence (however you spell that word) leighredf? I'll just give one because I'm not writing all 7.



July 18th 2010 Byron Williams sets out form groveland California as my link points out. They said he put over 200 high capacity bullets into police cars and wounding both police. When he was arrested he said quote "Glenn Beck is like a schoolteacher on TV he will never advocate violence but he would give every evidence that you possibly need"



http://www.guardian....-byron-williams



So this is the comparison leighredf. This term Stochastic terrorism goes back to the 1930s and the right use it today. Also you're pretty much right there's no news on the T.V. really. Read a newspaper.
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Mubarak has stepped down and given the armed forces his power. Victory for the people. I hope the military repects their wishes and does not keep the powers beyond the necessary steps that come next.
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What a victory this is for peaceful non-violent resistance! This is showing the world that it can be done and that the likes of Al-Qaeda and Hamas are unnecessary. Thank you Ghandi and Dr. King for giving the world some examples to follow.



It is always the youth leading the way. Just like in the U.S.A.
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What a victory this is for peaceful non-violent resistance! This is showing the world that it can be done and that the likes of Al-Qaeda and Hamas are unnecessary. Thank you Ghandi and Dr. King for giving the world some examples to follow.



It is always the youth leading the way. Just like in the U.S.A.


Turnout among young voters in last week's midterm elections was down from 2006, according to a new report out today.Nearly 21% of eligible young people cast a ballot in the 2010 elections, says the analysis by the Center for Information and Research on Civic Learning and Engagement (CIRCLE). In 2006, young voter turnout was 23.5%. Young people are defined for this purpose as 18- to 29-year-olds.



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Turnout among young voters in last week's midterm elections was down from 2006, according to a new report out today.Nearly 21% of eligible young people cast a ballot in the 2010 elections, says the analysis by the Center for Information and Research on Civic Learning and Engagement (CIRCLE). In 2006, young voter turnout was 23.5%. Young people are defined for this purpose as 18- to 29-year-olds.



http://content.usato...ctions-obama-/1



yeah, they were the ones who didn't show up and vote against Prop h8 and the ones in the other 30 states that didn't vote against same sex marriage. that's the problem and why it takes so long. If they did, like in '08 with Obama, well, we would get more results like that.
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Turnout among young voters in last week's midterm elections was down from 2006, according to a new report out today.Nearly 21% of eligible young people cast a ballot in the 2010 elections, says the analysis by the Center for Information and Research on Civic Learning and Engagement (CIRCLE). In 2006, young voter turnout was 23.5%. Young people are defined for this purpose as 18- to 29-year-olds.



http://content.usato...ctions-obama-/1


She needs to go tie dye some shirts and head into the sixties time machine. Protest is cool. Revolution man. Youth power. Young people have a bad voting percentage.



There is also a simpleton's view of the events in Egypt. Mubarak was essentially a military appointee (the last four leaders of Egypt are all ex-military). Mubarak has been replaced by the military. It is not technically a military coup, but it certainly isn't anything close to Democracy and there is no assurance that is where they will end up.



Usually, the progressives would be hysterical if the military took over a government. But, no, this was cool. The people man!



And why do the desires of the majority, no matter how draconian (e.g. Hamas in Lebanon) count everywhere except in the U.S.?
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