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Old October 28th, 2011, 04:42 PM   #361
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How can you indoctrinate someone into Atheism? If they believe in god, they believe in god right? The only way you an indoctrinate someone into atheism is by state sponsored reconditioning to NOT believe what they believe. Why mention it at all? How did NOT mentioning god become and endorsement of atheism?


The same question works the other way. How does mentioning God become an endorsement of any particular religion?



Anyone can be indoctrinated into anything, in my opinion. Mentioning or not mentioning has an effect.



But, I think it's all overblown. In my public school days, the Lord's prayer and the Pledge were said at the beginning of every school day, and I went to a high school that was known as "Hebrew High" owing to the large number of Jews, about a third of the school population. I didn't feel indoctrinated by the prayer, and the Jewish students didn't appear offended by it either.



I believe the whole issue of government "endorsement" is tilting at windmills.
Why did the school feel it necessary to have the students recite The Lord's Prayer? I also think The Pledge is ridiculous, talk about indoctrination. With or without under god, there is no reason to make kids pledge to anything.

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Just what's wrong with the Lord's Prayer?? As for the Pledge, I agree.

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For many people, it might as well be The Pledge.....why does it have any place in school? Why would people who do not believe in your lord have to sit through a classroom of kids reciting it? Can't it be done quietly and personally? Why does religion have to be grandstanded?

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Get off your grandstand, and answer my question, please.

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Why not answer my question first? I asked you a question and you responded with a question not an answer:

Why did the school feel it necessary to have the students recite The Lord's Prayer?

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Because it "was" a custom.



Because it doesn't command people to kill their children.



Because people were MORE tolerant than people today.



Because it's good to check in with the imaginary friend first thing in the morning.



Now, please, answer my question. What, other than the imaginary friend reference, bothers you about this?



"Our Father in heaven, hallowed be your name. Your kingdom come, your will be done, on earth as it is in heaven. Give us this day our daily bread, and forgive us our debts, as we also have forgiven our debtors. And lead us not into temptation, but deliver us from evil."
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As if. What a joke.


KMA, WT....



Anything else of substance you'd like to offer to the discussion?
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If you call what you've been offering substance, then no.
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Old October 29th, 2011, 02:45 PM   #364
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We've been over this before with you gary. Ryder is not lying. People are free to pray anytime and anywhere, as long as they don't break the law while doing so.




That's what Ayatollah Khomeini used to say
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Old October 29th, 2011, 05:45 PM   #365
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If you call what you've been offering substance, then no.


Hey, feel free to succeed where I failed. Got anything of real substance to add? Seems there is a rather low bar I've set so it should be easy for you.
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All Supreme Court opinions bind lower courts. No Supreme Court opinions bind future Supreme Court opinions. You are talking jibberish. You are good at that. Perhaps someone who agrees with you that your opinion should bind the truth would agree with you. But the truth will be bound by no man. Prove to me what you even attempt to say above.


I am still waiting for the proof of what you even attempted to convey. Tell me why the lower courts are not bound by the precedent I cited. Also tell me how any Supreme Court can bind any future Supreme Court. If that were true, Homer Plessy would never have been vindicated and the doctrine of Separate but Equal would still be the law today, and forevermore.
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We've been over this before with you gary. Ryder is not lying. People are free to pray anytime and anywhere, as long as they don't break the law while doing so.




That's what Ayatollah Khomeini used to say
Who cares? I bet that guy never got any pussy.



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Our moderator, no less. Well, it's helpful to know "pussy" is on the list of DTT approved terms.
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Our moderator, no less. Well, it's helpful to know "pussy" is on the list of DTT approved terms.


Helpful in what way?
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