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Old October 26th, 2011, 11:35 AM   #81
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That God is the source of authority for the United States of America is the only thing that protects you against the government.
Hmmm......it seems your imaginary friend didn't protect blacks from legal slavery or legal rape, or the other ravages of institutionalized racism. Or is it perhaps that your imaginary friend actually endorses those things in your bible? Strange that your "final authority" wouldn't have prevented such an abomination.



Perhaps you can ask your imaginary friend to do something about that horrible Citizens United decision, rather than leaving the people to deal with that problem.



Interesting too that the author of the document containing a reference to a "creator" - which you mistakenly think has legal weight - didn't believe in the divinity of your Jesus or a god which interacted in the affairs of men. Apparently Jefferson didn't have the same imaginary friend you do.




This subject does not speak to you, and you are a highly disrespectful individual. I'm not sure how one receives an 'excellent' reputation around here, but I expect it is not a very high standard.
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Old October 26th, 2011, 11:35 AM   #82
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As Radicalcentrist correctly has pointed out, you cherry-pick SCOTUS decisions as well.
How do you think I "cherry-picked" anything there? That's exactly what SCOTUS said, and the vast majority of their decisions in this area say the same thing. What I cited is absolutely consistent with their rulings on school prayer.



If you want to prove otherwise you're free to cite a case supporting your argument.
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Old October 26th, 2011, 11:36 AM   #83
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In fact, your premise - that a public prayer at a school sporting event is violating the establishment clause and/or endorsing religion - is mere convenience, mere smoke and mirrors excusing the government for endorsing your religion, imposing the tenets of your religion upon those with beliefs different from yours.
That's odd.....SCOTUS agrees with my premise, not yours. In fact they've repeatedly agreed with me on this issue. Citing just one such case:

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Justice John Paul Stevens delivered the opinion of the Supreme Court, upholding the decision of the Court of Appeals, saying "the simple enactment of this policy, with the purpose and perception of school endorsement of student prayer, was a constitutional violation." He continues, " such a system encourages divisiveness along religious lines and threatens the imposition of coercion upon those students not desiring to participate in a religious exercise. Simply by establishing this school-related procedure, which entrusts the inherently nongovernmental subject of religion to a majoritarian vote, a constitutional violation has occurred."




Not the first time SCOTUS has misinterpreted the Constitution and not the last.



Part of the price Americans pay for living under a judiciocracy

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No gary, the SCOTUS is always right ... unless skrekk disagrees with it.

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I can't seem to find that in the Constitution, which Amendment is that?
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Old October 26th, 2011, 11:38 AM   #84
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[quote name='Radicalcentrist' timestamp='1319655008' post='364074']That God is the source of authority for the United States of America is the only thing that protects you against the government.
Hmmm......it seems your imaginary friend didn't protect blacks from legal slavery or legal rape, or the other ravages of institutionalized racism. Or is it perhaps that your imaginary friend actually endorses those things in your bible? Strange that your "final authority" wouldn't have prevented such an abomination.



Perhaps you can ask your imaginary friend to do something about that horrible Citizens United decision, rather than leaving the people to deal with that problem.



Interesting too that the author of the document containing a reference to a "creator" - which you mistakenly think has legal weight - didn't believe in the divinity of your Jesus or a god which interacted in the affairs of men. Apparently Jefferson didn't have the same imaginary friend you do.
This subject does not speak to you, and you are a highly disrespectful individual. I'm not sure how one receives an 'excellent' reputation around here, but I expect it is not a very high standard.

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Yes, I'm very disrespectful of anyone who wants to use our secular government to impose their sharia laws on me.



I'll ask again - why didn't your imaginary friend protect blacks from legal slavery or legal rape? Or isn't he the real "final authority" on such matters? Or maybe he just doesn't give a shit about blacks or about slavery?



I had an imaginary friend when I was very young, but I didn't find him to be much of an authority on anything, much less a "final authority."
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Part of the price Americans pay for living under a judiciocracy
Certainly preferable to the Iranian-style theocracy you prefer.




The similarities are striking - a handful of people wearing black robes make imperious decisions, influenced by their personal moral views, that rule the lives of millions

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Yes, they do need a new wardrobe, maybe something like this:



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[quote name='gary' timestamp='1319657258' post='364088']

[quote name='skrekk' timestamp='1319656570' post='364084']

[quote name='imaginethat' timestamp='1319655736' post='364078']

In fact, your premise - that a public prayer at a school sporting event is violating the establishment clause and/or endorsing religion - is mere convenience, mere smoke and mirrors excusing the government for endorsing your religion, imposing the tenets of your religion upon those with beliefs different from yours.
That's odd.....SCOTUS agrees with my premise, not yours. In fact they've repeatedly agreed with me on this issue. Citing just one such case:

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http://www.civilrigh...no4/art2p1.html

Justice John Paul Stevens delivered the opinion of the Supreme Court, upholding the decision of the Court of Appeals, saying "the simple enactment of this policy, with the purpose and perception of school endorsement of student prayer, was a constitutional violation." He continues, " such a system encourages divisiveness along religious lines and threatens the imposition of coercion upon those students not desiring to participate in a religious exercise. Simply by establishing this school-related procedure, which entrusts the inherently nongovernmental subject of religion to a majoritarian vote, a constitutional violation has occurred."




Not the first time SCOTUS has misinterpreted the Constitution and not the last.



Part of the price Americans pay for living under a judiciocracy

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No gary, the SCOTUS is always right ... unless skrekk disagrees with it.

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I can't seem to find that in the Constitution, which Amendment is that?

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It hasn't been written yet, but no matter. It still stands.
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[quote name='skrekk' timestamp='1319657412' post='364089']

[quote name='gary' timestamp='1319657258' post='364088']

Part of the price Americans pay for living under a judiciocracy
Certainly preferable to the Iranian-style theocracy you prefer.




The similarities are striking - a handful of people wearing black robes make imperious decisions, influenced by their personal moral views, that rule the lives of millions

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Yes, they do need a new wardrobe, maybe something like this:





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I don't think your SCOTUS could carry that off



Something more American would be more appropriate, perhaps baseball caps worn back-to front and saggy pants down to their knees?
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[quote name='Radicalcentrist' timestamp='1319655008' post='364074']That God is the source of authority for the United States of America is the only thing that protects you against the government.
Hmmm......it seems your imaginary friend didn't protect blacks from legal slavery or legal rape, or the other ravages of institutionalized racism. Or is it perhaps that your imaginary friend actually endorses those things in your bible? Strange that your "final authority" wouldn't have prevented such an abomination.



Perhaps you can ask your imaginary friend to do something about that horrible Citizens United decision, rather than leaving the people to deal with that problem.



Interesting too that the author of the document containing a reference to a "creator" - which you mistakenly think has legal weight - didn't believe in the divinity of your Jesus or a god which interacted in the affairs of men. Apparently Jefferson didn't have the same imaginary friend you do.
This subject does not speak to you, and you are a highly disrespectful individual. I'm not sure how one receives an 'excellent' reputation around here, but I expect it is not a very high standard.

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Yes, I'm very disrespectful of anyone who wants to use our secular government to impose their sharia laws on me.



I'll ask again - why didn't your imaginary friend protect blacks from legal slavery or legal rape? Or isn't he the real "final authority" on such matters? Or maybe he just doesn't give a shit about blacks or about slavery?

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Your churlish comments reveal how little you understand



Eventually God DID protect slaves by speaking to the hearts of men.



Or did you think equality for African Americans was yet another in a long series of consecutive coincidences?
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[quote name='skrekk' timestamp='1319657412' post='364089']

[quote name='gary' timestamp='1319657258' post='364088']

Part of the price Americans pay for living under a judiciocracy
Certainly preferable to the Iranian-style theocracy you prefer.




The similarities are striking - a handful of people wearing black robes make imperious decisions, influenced by their personal moral views, that rule the lives of millions

[/quote]



Yes, they do need a new wardrobe, maybe something like this:





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I don't think your SCOTUS could carry that off



Something more American would be more appropriate, perhaps baseball caps worn back-to front and saggy pants down to their knees?

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Yeah probably. Probably, those clown outfits are copyrighted or something anyway.
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[quote name='Radicalcentrist' timestamp='1319655008' post='364074']That God is the source of authority for the United States of America is the only thing that protects you against the government.
Hmmm......it seems your imaginary friend didn't protect blacks from legal slavery or legal rape, or the other ravages of institutionalized racism. Or is it perhaps that your imaginary friend actually endorses those things in your bible? Strange that your "final authority" wouldn't have prevented such an abomination.



Perhaps you can ask your imaginary friend to do something about that horrible Citizens United decision, rather than leaving the people to deal with that problem.



Interesting too that the author of the document containing a reference to a "creator" - which you mistakenly think has legal weight - didn't believe in the divinity of your Jesus or a god which interacted in the affairs of men. Apparently Jefferson didn't have the same imaginary friend you do.




This subject does not speak to you, and you are a highly disrespectful individual. I'm not sure how one receives an 'excellent' reputation around here, but I expect it is not a very high standard.

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Your observation is correct. And the reputation rating is a joke.
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