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pensacola_niceman October 23rd, 2011 12:05 PM

Hmmmm, maybe ole' Moammar wasn't so bad after all.





BENGHAZI, Libya (AP) — Libya's transitional leader declared his country's liberation on Sunday, three days after the hated dictator Moammar Gadhafi was captured and killed.

He called on Libyans to show "patience, honesty and tolerance" and eschew hatred as they embark on rebuilding the country at the end of an 8-month civil war.

The transitional government leader Mustafa Abdul-Jalil set out a vision for the post-Gadhafi future with an Islamist tint, saying that Islamic Sharia law would be the "basic source" of legislation in the country and that existing laws that contradict the teachings of Islam would be nullified. In a gesture that showed his own piety, he urged Libyans not to express their joy by firing in the air, but rather to chant "Allahu Akbar," or God is Great. He then stepped aside and knelt to offer a brief prayer of thanks.



http://news.yahoo.com/libyas-transit...155513082.html

skrekk October 23rd, 2011 12:19 PM

When Gadhafi took power in 1973 he declared that Sharia would be the basis for the law, although he later undermined and overruled those courts.



Even if you think Sharia is a bad thing (and it ain't necessarily so), isn't having an independent judiciary a good thing?

pensacola_niceman October 23rd, 2011 12:29 PM

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Originally Posted by skrekk (Post 361829)
When Gadhafi took power in 1973 he declared that Sharia would be the basis for the law, although he later undermined and overruled those courts.



Even if you think Sharia is a bad thing (and it ain't necessarily so), isn't having an independent judiciary a good thing?

I thought you didn't cotton much to Sharia law?

skrekk October 23rd, 2011 03:22 PM

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Originally Posted by pensacola_niceman (Post 361841)
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Originally Posted by skrekk' timestamp='1319401190' post='363465

When Gadhafi took power in 1973 he declared that Sharia would be the basis for the law, although he later undermined and overruled those courts.



Even if you think Sharia is a bad thing (and it ain't necessarily so), isn't having an independent judiciary a good thing?

I thought you didn't cotton much to Sharia law?

I don't at all, but I also respect the rights of sovereign nations to choose their own destiny. I do think that absent a constitution (LIbya hasn't really had one since 1969) that Sharia is a valid place to start an independent judiciary, at least for an overwhelmingly Muslim society like Libya. It's a better short-term solution than judicial anarchy or judgement by executive decree. And note that even when LIbya had a constitution, Islam was the state religion and Sharia law was part of its dual court system - so if they simply return to what things were like before the 1969 coup Sharia will still be part of the law. Certainly that's not a system I'd want to live under.



In certain realms like family law, Sharia law really isn't that different from Jewish Halacha law. I think it's less productive in criminal law, but it's very similar there to what the American colonies practiced. Also note that what Sharia law actually is varies a lot from place to place since it's not part of the Koran.

pensacola_niceman October 23rd, 2011 03:48 PM

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Originally Posted by skrekk (Post 361902)
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Originally Posted by pensacola_niceman' timestamp='1319401786' post='363477

[quote name='skrekk' timestamp='1319401190' post='363465']

When Gadhafi took power in 1973 he declared that Sharia would be the basis for the law, although he later undermined and overruled those courts.



Even if you think Sharia is a bad thing (and it ain't necessarily so), isn't having an independent judiciary a good thing?

I thought you didn't cotton much to Sharia law?

I don't at all, but I also respect the rights of sovereign nations to choose their own destiny. I do think that absent a constitution (LIbya hasn't really had one since 1969) that Sharia is a valid place to start an independent judiciary, at least for an overwhelmingly Muslim society like Libya. It's a better short-term solution than judicial anarchy or judgement by executive decree. And note that even when LIbya had a constitution, Islam was the state religion and Sharia law was part of its dual court system - so if they simply return to what things were like before the 1969 coup Sharia will still be part of the law. Certainly that's not a system I'd want to live under.



In certain realms like family law, Sharia law really isn't that different from Jewish Halacha law. I think it's less productive in criminal law, but it's very similar there to what the American colonies practiced. Also note that what Sharia law actually is varies a lot from place to place since it's not part of the Koran.

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OK Skrekk, good post.

garysher October 23rd, 2011 06:12 PM

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Originally Posted by skrekk (Post 361902)
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Originally Posted by pensacola_niceman' timestamp='1319401786' post='363477

[quote name='skrekk' timestamp='1319401190' post='363465']

When Gadhafi took power in 1973 he declared that Sharia would be the basis for the law, although he later undermined and overruled those courts.



Even if you think Sharia is a bad thing (and it ain't necessarily so), isn't having an independent judiciary a good thing?

I thought you didn't cotton much to Sharia law?

I don't at all, but I also respect the rights of sovereign nations to choose their own destiny. I do think that absent a constitution (LIbya hasn't really had one since 1969) that Sharia is a valid place to start an independent judiciary, at least for an overwhelmingly Muslim society like Libya. It's a better short-term solution than judicial anarchy or judgement by executive decree. And note that even when LIbya had a constitution, Islam was the state religion and Sharia law was part of its dual court system - so if they simply return to what things were like before the 1969 coup Sharia will still be part of the law. Certainly that's not a system I'd want to live under.



In certain realms like family law, Sharia law really isn't that different from Jewish Halacha law. I think it's less productive in criminal law, but it's very similar there to what the American colonies practiced. Also note that what Sharia law actually is varies a lot from place to place since it's not part of the Koran.

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I didn't realise the American colonies chopped off the hands of thieves and carried out summary executions at football grounds

skrekk October 23rd, 2011 09:54 PM

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I didn't realise the American colonies chopped off the hands of thieves and carried out summary executions at football grounds

Just like Britain the colonies did cut off the hands, ears or head for a wide variety of offenses. But since they hadn't invented football yet, dullard, there were no football stadiums......so they just burned their witches in the public square (after drowning the innocent to determine which of the accused were actually witches).



Much like Gary and the Taliban, the colonial theocracies didn't tolerate people who violated their Sharia laws. In fact, they were exactly like Gary - obsessed with the private sex lives of other people, and gleeful to see odd corporal punishments applied to everything from sodomy to masturbation - anything which went outside the very narrow margins of what they considered moral sex. And in accord with their violent imaginary friend and their bizarre biblical principles, for bestiality they not only killed the rapist but the rape victim as well (maybe that explains why Gary's imaginary friend murdered all the first-born farm animals of Egypt).



No surprise that's the theocratic world Gary and the Taliban would like to live in.



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Radicalcentrist October 24th, 2011 04:48 AM

So you justify the use of Sharia Law today based upon the actions of a select set of folks who inhabited the North American continent 400 years ago? Just asking here.

skrekk October 24th, 2011 07:23 AM

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Originally Posted by Radicalcentrist (Post 361951)
So you justify the use of Sharia Law today based upon the actions of a select set of folks who inhabited the North American continent 400 years ago? Just asking here.

Not at all, but since you're new here you're not aware of my view of the sort of theocracy Gary advocates - he thinks his personal religious views should control your life and mine through our common secular law. What people like Gary want is a return to the Christian sharia law practices of 400 years ago.



In the US I'm opposed to lower-case "sharia laws" no matter whether they come from Islam, Christianity, Judaism, or the Church of the Flying Spaghetti Monster.......but I'm also not naive enough to think that my views about the US are relevant to Libya. My general point about Libya is that Sharia law is the natural cultural fallback position to maintain order, given the current lack of a constitution and lack of a dictator. They're winging it right now and no one can foresee the outcome.



I also think that most wingnuts in the US are completely clueless about what Islamic Sharia law is, but it's a dog whistle to them (like "states rights"). Without knowing anything about it they think they know it's a bad thing if for no other reason than they think everything Muslim is bad.

Radicalcentrist October 24th, 2011 07:32 AM

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Originally Posted by skrekk (Post 361976)
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Originally Posted by Radicalcentrist' timestamp='1319460508' post='363587

So you justify the use of Sharia Law today based upon the actions of a select set of folks who inhabited the North American continent 400 years ago? Just asking here.

Not at all, but since you're new here you're not aware of my view of the sort of theocracy Gary advocates - he thinks his personal religious views should control your life and mine through our common secular law. What people like Gary want is a return to the Christian sharia law practices of 400 years ago.



In the US I'm opposed to lower-case "sharia laws" no matter whether they come from Islam, Christianity, Judaism, or the Church of the Flying Spaghetti Monster.......but I'm also not naive enough to think that my views about the US are relevant to Libya. My general point about Libya is that Sharia law is the natural cultural fallback position to maintain order, given the current lack of a constitution and lack of a dictator. They're winging it right now and no one can foresee the outcome.



I also think that most wingnuts in the US are completely clueless about what Islamic Sharia law is, but it's a dog whistle to them (like "states rights"). Without knowing anything about it they think they know it's a bad thing if for no other reason than they think everything Muslim is bad.



I think maybe I will let Gary speak for himself. Something tells me that he would not necessarily agree with your appraisal of his opinions, at least not 100%.



You speak of 'common secular law.' What do you mean by that?


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