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Old March 18th, 2012, 09:27 AM   #31
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What's pretty clear at this point is that "Invisible Children" is an evangelical group, possibly of the "Quiver Full" persuasion given Russell's stated desire to have 11 kids.





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For & Against with Jim Morrison, a news magazine on Here TV (a network that's part of Here Media, which owns The Advocate), reviewed the documentary, pointing out Invisible Children's ties to antigay organizations, such as the National Christian Foundation. The NCF describes itself as "the largest Christian grant-making foundation in the world." Truth Wins Out reports that the organization has disbursed grants to some of the most antigay groups in the country, including Focus on the Family and the Family Research Council.



Ironically, NCF, which donated $135,000 in 2009 to Invisible Children, also helps fund the Fellowship Foundation, which works in conjunction with the fundamentalist shadow organization known as “The Family.” That outfit has largely pushed Christian Ugandan lawmakers to propose a "kill the gays" bill, which would make homosexuality punishable by death.



Invisible Children's tax records also show several churches, private religious schools, and religious organizations like Legacy of a Christian Vision, and the antigay, antiabortion Malachai Foundation. Other donors include several public schools, secular organizations, and liberal individual donors, as well as celebrities like Oprah Winfrey and NFL player Jamal Williams.



Russell was also an invited guest of Liberty University, a staunchly Christian college, where he told students about how to use "extremely low-key, or stealth evangelism," Alternet reports.






More on the organization's funding through Christian extremist groups and anti-gay hate groups:



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What does Invisible Children share in common with the Discovery Institute, the leading organization promoting “Intelligent Design”, a pseudo-scientific theory created to insinuate creationist ideas into public schools — or with The Call, whose leader Lou Engle claims homosexuals are possessed by demons, calls God an “avenger of blood” and a “terrorist”, and in May 2010 staged a rally in Kampala, Uganda, at which Engle warned of a gay menace to society and shared a stage with one of the authors of Uganda’s notorious Anti Homosexuality Bill?



990 IRS tax forms and yearly reports from Invisible Children, and 990s from its major donors, tell a story that’s jarringly at odds with the secular, airbrushed, feelgood image the nonprofit has cultivated.



Among the tens of millions of people who have watched Invisible Children’s KONY 2012 viral video, including Oprah Winfrey – a dedicated supporter of LGBT rights who also has given $2 million dollars to Invisible Children, how many were aware of IC’s extensive financial ties to far-right fundamentalism, including major funders of the mounting global war on gay rights? IC doesn’t go out of its way to advertise these things.



But Invisible Children’s first yearly report, from 2006, gives “special thanks” to the “Caster Family Foundation” and IC’s 2007 report is more specific, thanking Terry and Barbara Caster. In the lead up to the 2008 election, the California-based Caster family was identified as one of the biggest financial backers of the push for California’s anti-same sex marriage Proposition 8.



Capping the pro-Prop 8 push was a November 1, 2008 San Diego stadium rally held by The Call, whose leader Lou Engle warned that same sex marriage could unleash a “sexual insanity” that would be “more demonic than Islam” and suggested believers should carry out acts of martyrdom to stop gay marriage and legal abortion, which Engle predicts will lead to a second American civil war.



One of The Call’s major donors in 2008 also gave, that same year, over 400,000 dollars to Invisible Children. These links weren’t anomalies. They were part of a pattern.

What does Invisible Children share in common with James Dobson’s Focus on the Family, the Family Research Council (pegged by the Southern Poverty Law Center as a “hate group”), or the Fellowship Foundation — one of the nonprofit entities of the Washington-based evangelical organization also known as “The Family” (covered in two books by journalist Jeff Sharlet) whose leader Doug Coe has been captured on video celebrating the dedication inspired by Hitler, Lenin, and Mao?



What does IC have in common with the ministry of California evangelist Ed Silvoso, who works directly with leading Ugandan author and promoter of the Anti Homosexuality Bill (also called the “kill the gays bill”) Julius Oyet — who claims that “even animals are wiser than homosexuals”?



The answer? — all of these ministries – the Discovery Institute, Focus on the Family, the Family Research Council, The Fellowship Foundation, The Call, Ed Silvoso’s Harvest Evangelism, and Invisible Children – received at least $100,000 in 2008 from what has emerged in the last decade as the biggest funder of the hard, antigay, creationist Christian right: the National Christian Foundation.

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2008 grants from National Christian Foundation, and subsidiaries

Focus on The Family: $4,268,000

Family Research Council: $2,387,000

The Fellowship Foundation (AKA “The Family” or the “International Foundation”): $515,000

Lou Engle’s The Call: $166,000

Ed Silvoso’s Harvest Evangelism: $817,000

The Discovery Institute: $702,000*

Invisible Children: $414,000*

*NCF’s 2008 990 lists $139,000 to IC; NCF subsidiary ProVision Foundation’s 2008 990 lists a $150,000 grant to IC; NCF subsidiary ProVision Trust’s 2008 990 lists a $125,000 grant to IC.

*Answers in Genesis, which directly promotes “Young Earth” creationism,received over $35,000 from the NCF in 2008.


Since it came into existence in 1982, cooked up by canny tax lawyers, the National Christian Foundation–covered in a story by journalist Michael Reynolds published in the December 2005 issue of Mother Jones (extended version of story available here)– has swollen into a financial behemoth that disperses over 1/2 a billion dollars a year to Christian charities. But not just any Christian charities.



The NCF, which counts billionaire, controversial Rick Santorum-backer Foster Friess among its donors, funds nonprofits that advance its agenda which, as stated on the NCF website, is to “enable followers of Christ to give wisely to advance His Kingdom”.



(Joining with Foster Friess, as one of the top 2 donors to Rick Santorum’s Red, White, and Blue Fund Super-PAC, was Templeton Foundation head Dr. John Templeton, Jr. – who donated $35,000 to Invisible Children in 2007 according to the group’s 2007 990.)



The National Christian Foundation’s statement of belief is solidly fundamentalist: “We believe that the entire Bible is the inspired and inerrant Word of God; the only infallible rule of faith and practice.” Also stated on NCF’s website:

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“Our board members know they are charged with a great responsibility. Their goal is to make certain every dollar that comes to us is ultimately distributed according to our Christian mission”
2008 wasn’t the first year Invisible Children benefited from National Christian Foundation largesse – IC’s 2007 990 tax form lists three grants, totaling $350,000, from NCF subsidiary the ProVision Foundation (which is also specifically thanked in IC’s 2007 and 2008 annual reports).



Invisible Children’s first filed 990 tax form, for the calender year running from mid 2005 to mid 2006, listed a $30,000 cash donation, IC’s biggest cash gift that year, from another fundamentalist granting organization, based in Colorado Springs, called the Christian Community Foundation, Inc. (also known as “Waterstone”)



In 2009, CCF assets surpassed $138,000,000 and the foundation made over $20,000,000 in grants, including $365,000 to the Family Research Council and $297,000 to Focus on The Family, as well as small grants to Answers in Genesis and the Fellowship Foundation.



The membership of the Christian Community Foundation, Inc.’s board of directors overlaps with board membership of National Christian Foundation subsidiaries; what this suggests is that, from its first calendar year, Invisible Children had appeared on the radar screen of some of the world’s largest Christian fundamentalist grant-making organizations–which apparently deemed Invisible Children to be a worthy investment that would help advance particular visions for establishing God’s kingdom on Earth.



IC was also on the radar screen, judging by his $5,218 donation listed on the Invisible Children 2006 990 tax form, of Philip Anschutz – the reclusive, Colorado-based devout Christian billionaire, dubbed the “stealth media mogul”, who was in 2007 worth an estimated $6.7 billion dollars.



According to journalist Bill Berkowitz, Anschutz has helped fund the Discovery Institute and supported Colorado’s 1992 anti-gay marriage Amendment 2. In 2005 Anschutz co-produced, in conjunction with Walt Disney Pictures, the Christian-themed fantasy film “The Chronicles of Narnia: The Lion, The Witch, and The Wardrobe.”



Along with the pro-Proposition 8 Caster Family, another backer specifically thanked in Invisible Children’s first yearly report was the Circle Family Foundation, also known as “Malachi 3?, a small foundation which funds a stable of ministries including Campus Crusade For Christ, whose founder the late Bill Bright patterned his ministry along the lines of revolutionary communist cell groups.



Bright, who once declared himself to be “involved in a conspiracy with thousands of others to ‘overthrow the world’ “, also helped birth the dominionist “Seven Mountains” mandate, which instructs believers to take control of significant sectors of society and culture including: media, arts and entertainment, government, business and finance, the family, religion, and education.



[note: this story explores almost wholly overlooked ties between the Invisible Children nonprofit and the politicized fundamentalist right. It is not intended as a dedicated critique of Invisible Children's effort to publicize Joseph Kony and the LRA, or the nonprofit's conduct generally. Subsequent installments will address those issues. For a very different profile of American evangelical involvement in Uganda, see my 20-minute documentary video Transforming Uganda, cited in 2010 testimony before Congress.]




Incidentally, American anti-gay crusader and evangelical Christian Scott Lively is currently being sued by a Ugandan human rights group for his role in fomenting anti-gay hysteria in Uganda, and his support of the kill the gays bill. That there are strong links between American evangelicals and Ugandan hate groups isn't exactly a new phenomenon:

http://www.guardian....-sues-us-pastor


You practice shameless bigotry. Nothing in the IC video related to homosexuality at all.



The point of the video was to open peoples' eyes to a militia leader who has murdered tens of thousands, displaced more than 1 million, and conscripted at least 30,000 child soldiers by force.



But you and your addled mind portray this exposé as a "gay issue."



Skrekk, the cynical one-trick pony. If gary fails to introduce homosexuality into a thread, you can be counted on to do so.
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Old March 18th, 2012, 02:36 PM   #32
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You practice shameless bigotry. Nothing in the IC video related to homosexuality at all.



The point of the video was to open peoples' eyes to a militia leader who has murdered tens of thousands, displaced more than 1 million, and conscripted at least 30,000 child soldiers by force.



But you and your addled mind portray this exposé as a "gay issue."



Skrekk, the cynical one-trick pony. If gary fails to introduce homosexuality into a thread, you can be counted on to do so.


Actually I'm suggesting that the cumulative issues about the "Invisible Children" group should make everyone very suspicious of its motives - from it's very high "administrative" costs, its factual misrepresentations in the video, its funding sources from anti-gay hate groups and Christian extremist groups, the Dominionism expressed by its founder, to its possible association with hate groups in Uganda.



Take it for what it's worth - in my view the goal of bringing Joseph Kony to justice is a very good one, but this group is probably not the best vehicle for that.
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Old March 18th, 2012, 04:03 PM   #33
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You practice shameless bigotry. Nothing in the IC video related to homosexuality at all.



The point of the video was to open peoples' eyes to a militia leader who has murdered tens of thousands, displaced more than 1 million, and conscripted at least 30,000 child soldiers by force.



But you and your addled mind portray this exposé as a "gay issue."



Skrekk, the cynical one-trick pony. If gary fails to introduce homosexuality into a thread, you can be counted on to do so.


Actually I'm suggesting that the cumulative issues about the "Invisible Children" group should make everyone very suspicious of its motives - from it's very high "administrative" costs, its factual misrepresentations in the video, its funding sources from anti-gay hate groups and Christian extremist groups, the Dominionism expressed by its founder, to its possible association with hate groups in Uganda.



Take it for what it's worth - in my view the goal of bringing Joseph Kony to justice is a very good one, but this group is probably not the best vehicle for that.


Actually, you just used this as another platform to espouse your views on homosexuality ... and christianity.



Nothing new, the times, places, people, things change, but the story remains the same.



I hope you discover the best vehicle to bring Kony to justice.
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How come nobody has talked about the countless videos that have emerged saying that this kony guy is a nobody warlord that nobody has even heard from in years, who may not even be alive any more...

And here this a$:@/es come and compare this guy to hitler. It's laughable propaganda of a video to say the least.

A video to spur a "pro war movement " to activate africomm and take the region by force... A necessary step since the Africans did not consent to this globalist system, they will be conquered by the UN/NATO/ US forces... Or by propping up rebel groups like al quaida in Yemen.

Look at Africa, there are many areas with many desperate people fighting to survive. It almost should not be a surprise that children would join a gang for the simple equation of power in numbers.

The only way to end that is to bring prosperity to the continent... Not more death.
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How come nobody has talked about the countless videos that have emerged saying that this kony guy is a nobody warlord that nobody has even heard from in years, who may not even be alive any more...


That was actually my point when I talked about the misinformation in the video - Kony was chased out of Uganda in 2005, but the way the video presents it you'd think he's a major threat and still active in northern Uganda.
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Here's the latest "Invisible Children" video:

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/21134540...81171#46781171
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How come nobody has talked about the countless videos that have emerged saying that this kony guy is a nobody warlord that nobody has even heard from in years, who may not even be alive any more...


That was actually my point when I talked about the misinformation in the video - Kony was chased out of Uganda in 2005, but the way the video presents it you'd think he's a major threat and still active in northern Uganda.


Lemme give this a skrekk intro.



Ummmmm.........



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Joseph Rao Kony (pronounced IPA: [ko?];[sup][6][/sup] born c. 1961)[sup][1][/sup] is the head of the Lord's Resistance Army (LRA), a Ugandan guerrilla group. While initially enjoying strong public support, the LRA turned on its own supporters, supposedly to "purify" the Acholi people and turn Uganda into a theocracy.[sup][2][/sup]Kony proclaims himself the spokesperson of God and a spirit medium, primarily of the Holy Spirit, which the group believes can represent itself in many manifestations. Ideologically, the group is a syncretic mix of mysticism, Acholi nationalism, and Christian fundamentalism,[sup][7][/sup][sup][8][/sup][sup][9][/sup][sup][10][/sup][sup][11][/sup][sup][12][/sup][sup][13][/sup][sup][14][/sup][sup][15][/sup][sup][16][/sup] and claims to be establishing a theocratic state based on the Ten Commandments and local Acholi tradition.[sup][17][/sup][sup][18][/sup][sup][19][/sup]



He ordered the abduction of children to become child-sex slaves and child soldiers.[sup][20][/sup] An estimated 66,000 children became soldiers and two million people have been internally displaced since 1986.[sup][21][/sup] In 2005, Kony was indicted for war crimes by the International Criminal Court in The Hague, Netherlands, but has evaded capture.[sup][22][/sup] The LRA operates in Uganda, the Democratic Republic of Congo, Central African Republic, South Sudan, and Sudan.[sup][23] [/sup]


Kony is alive and operative.



The motive of your idiotic attack on Russell is clear to me. He's a Christian. "Where Kony is now" is just a diversion. He's an ICC-indicted lunatic who's preyed on children for decades and he's somewhere in central Africa. Of course, the children are black, but knowing how strongly you stand against racism, I'd think that you wouldn't be opposing bringing this issue to the attention of the world.



Oh yeah, I forgot. Russell is a Christian.



Anyway, Obama has taken very reasonable actions.



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In May 2010, U.S. President Barack Obama signed into law the Lord's Resistance Army Disarmament and Northern Uganda Recovery Act,[sup][41][/sup] legislation aimed at stopping Kony and the LRA. The bill passed unanimously in the United States Senate on March 11. On May 12, 2010, a motion to suspend the rules and pass the bill was agreed to by voice vote (two-thirds being in the affirmative) in the House of Representatives.[sup][42][/sup] In November 2010, President Obama delivered a strategy document to Congress, asking for more funding to disarm Kony and the LRA.[sup][43][/sup]



In October 2011, President Obama authorized the deployment of approximately 100 combat-equipped U.S. troops to central Africa.[sup][44][/sup] Their goal is to help regional forces remove Kony and senior LRA leaders from the battlefield. "Although the U.S. forces are combat-equipped, they will only be providing information, advice, and assistance to partner nation forces, and they will not themselves engage LRA forces unless necessary for self-defense," President Obama said in a letter to Congress.[sup][45][/sup][sup][46] [/sup]
http://en.wikipedia....iki/Joseph_Kony



So if you've got this big problem with Russell's effort, you could put together an atheist effort to raise awareness of Kony's crimes. Be sure, in your video, to note that Kony is not a "major threat" nor is he "still active in northern Uganda." That information according to you is critical, so please, include it.



The "Good Ol' Days" are mostly mythology. In your case, think how cool it would be to go back 1,800 years and watch Christians being thrown to the lions. That'd be cool, huh?
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The motive of your idiotic attack on Russell is clear to me. He's a Christian.


Actually I didn't know at first that he was a Christian or an evangelical until very recently. I'll admit I do find his desire to have 11 kids rather odd, and I find his statements about "stealth evangelism" to be fundamentally dishonest and disreputable.



Here's what I started with when the story first broke:
  • very high "administrative" costs,
  • factual misrepresentations in the video,

Here's what I learned about "Invisible Children" since:
  • its funding sources come from anti-gay hate groups and Christian extremist groups,
  • the Dominionism expressed by its founder,
  • its possible association with hate groups in Uganda.



Now that I know it's an evangelical group I definitely wouldn't donate to it. There are better organizations which don't have a hidden agenda.
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The motive of your idiotic attack on Russell is clear to me. He's a Christian.


Actually I didn't know at first that he was a Christian or an evangelical until very recently. I'll admit I do find his desire to have 11 kids rather odd, and I find his statements about "stealth evangelism" to be fundamentally dishonest and disreputable.



Here's what I started with when the story first broke:
  • very high "administrative" costs,
  • factual misrepresentations in the video,

Here's what I learned about "Invisible Children" since:
  • its funding sources come from anti-gay hate groups and Christian extremist groups,
  • the Dominionism expressed by its founder,
  • its possible association with hate groups in Uganda.

Now that I know it's an evangelical group I definitely wouldn't donate to it. There are better organizations which don't have a hidden agenda.


Cool. Maybe that atheist group working to elevate peoples' awareness on Kony would appreciate your donations.



Full quote: The motive of your idiotic attack on Russell is clear to me. He's a Christian. "Where Kony is now" is just a diversion. He's an ICC-indicted lunatic who's preyed on children for decades and he's somewhere in central Africa. Of course, the children are black, but knowing how strongly you stand against racism, I'd think that you wouldn't be opposing bringing this issue to the attention of the world.



Oh yeah, I forgot. Russell is a Christian.




And the black children of Central Africa, well, they can wait until skrekk determines the "proper" group to expose this horror and injustice, and donate accordingly.
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The motive of your idiotic attack on Russell is clear to me. He's a Christian.


Actually I didn't know at first that he was a Christian or an evangelical until very recently. I'll admit I do find his desire to have 11 kids rather odd, and I find his statements about "stealth evangelism" to be fundamentally dishonest and disreputable.



Here's what I started with when the story first broke:
  • very high "administrative" costs,
  • factual misrepresentations in the video,

Here's what I learned about "Invisible Children" since:
  • its funding sources come from anti-gay hate groups and Christian extremist groups,
  • the Dominionism expressed by its founder,
  • its possible association with hate groups in Uganda.

Now that I know it's an evangelical group I definitely wouldn't donate to it. There are better organizations which don't have a hidden agenda.


Cool. Maybe that atheist group working to elevate peoples' awareness on Kony would appreciate your donations.



Full quote: The motive of your idiotic attack on Russell is clear to me. He's a Christian. "Where Kony is now" is just a diversion. He's an ICC-indicted lunatic who's preyed on children for decades and he's somewhere in central Africa. Of course, the children are black, but knowing how strongly you stand against racism, I'd think that you wouldn't be opposing bringing this issue to the attention of the world.



Oh yeah, I forgot. Russell is a Christian.




And the black children of Central Africa, well, they can wait until skrekk determines the "proper" group to expose this horror and injustice, and donate accordingly.

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I would expect you to do no less than donate to a "charity" which has a very high overhead ratio and which is peddling inaccurate information.
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