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Old September 17th, 2014, 03:47 AM   #1
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Are there any successful , or semi successful African nations?

I have lived in China for the past 13 years, but this last summer, my (Chinese) wife went to Zambia for business, and I followed her and stayed in the country for about 6 weeks. I know a lot about geography and can list all the African countries drunk as a gord (not capitals but know a lot of them too!), but I know very little about Africa before I went there, and I did not like my wife there.

Went to Lusaka Zambia. By and large had a good time. The country from what I saw seemed to be fairly well ran and organized. Parts of Lusaka was pretty cool and even better in some ways to where I live in China. More Americanized shopping malls, a casino, lots of western food stuffs. I went from Lusaka to the Victoria Falls which took about seven hours by bus and while I did see poor people, I just did not see really shocking poverty.

One thing I did notice was a lot of walled properties, and the cops one did see wore Camoflage and carried some kind of military grade rifle. To the mall, where the middle and upper class shopped. Seemed a bit of an overkill, maybe just to scare the bad guys from those places. AIDS was a big thing there, with lots of advertisements from the government to know one's HIV status and all that. All in all, if I had a decent job, and a nice house, I could live in Lusaka. Would be more bored there than anything.

The Zambians I met were proud that they were relatively peaceful, unlike a lot of other African nations. Makes me wonder how many other African nations are peaceful, moving along at a pace, out of Civil wars and the different tribes and groups fighting one another or under the rule of a nutty, greedy dictator.

I have read that Botswana, which is the south of Zambia is peaceful with a decent government. Some of the Chinese friends in Africa said that Malawi was a beautiful, safe country. Other places, seem to be under the par of where I would want to visit or live.

I never thought until a few months ago that I would visit Africa, but the place, at least Zambia, really has had a lasting impact on me. So, which African nations have been a success, and where, like Zambia, is mostly safe for travel.
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All black governments around the world, whether national or city, are extremely incompetent and corrupt.

South Africa is relatively good because a white government built it into a first-world nation, in spite of international oppression. And, even though monkeys run the place now, between foreign aid and a well designed government structure, SA is still halfway civilized, but you'd never know it from the crime rate.
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Sort of out of date on that South Africa thing. It has gone to Hell in a hand basket since the end of colonial government and the much over-rated independence. Turned out the freedom to destroy the most successful country in Africa was what they won...just like poor suffering Rhodesia.

South America should send Africa return thank you notes because Africa is the only reason South America isn't the World's asshole. I hope they are happy being the armpit of the World instead, anyway.
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All black governments around the world, whether national or city, are extremely incompetent and corrupt.

South Africa is relatively good because a white government built it into a first-world nation, in spite of international oppression. And, even though monkeys run the place now, between foreign aid and a well designed government structure, SA is still halfway civilized, but you'd never know it from the crime rate.
Jeez, dontcha just miss the apartheid days, or for that matter, the days of US slavery? I mean, a monkey needs a master, right?


Correcting your first sentence, virtually all governments around the world, whether national or city, are extremely incompetent and corrupt.
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Correcting your first sentence, virtually all governments around the world, whether national or city, are extremely incompetent and corrupt.
As if there's any comparison between black-ruled and white-ruled countries.
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As if there's any comparison between black-ruled and white-ruled countries.
True. I can't come up with one black nation that counted on white slaves for the health of its economic system.
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In Zambia all businesses, or most all of them I saw, had to have a picture of their President on the wall. A one Michael Sata. Saw his picture in the hotel, fast food places, many places. His main picture is an older middle aged guy with a mustache and had this grumpy look about him.

Talked to a Zambian/American in the bar, and made a joke that Sata looked like a black Pentecostal preacher man, and he shushed me and said that it was illegal to make fun of him, and one could go to jail for that. The guy was elected, but respect had to be given, and the crap that people heave on Presidents here would not be tolerated there. Interesting.
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Sort of out of date on that South Africa thing. It has gone to Hell in a hand basket since the end of colonial government and the much over-rated independence. Turned out the freedom to destroy the most successful country in Africa was what they won...just like poor suffering Rhodesia.

South America should send Africa return thank you notes because Africa is the only reason South America isn't the World's asshole. I hope they are happy being the armpit of the World instead, anyway.
I have never been to South America, but except for Columbia, Venezeula, Guyana, Suriname and certain neighborhoods in Rio de Jererio Brazil, I would love to see the rest of the continent, especially Argentina, Uruguay, Brazil, Chile, Bolivia, Peru and Equador. Poor, but hellholes? Chile, Argentina and Uruguay look pretty modern with mostly people of European stock.

SA to me has always been the "backwater" continent
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All black governments around the world, whether national or city, are extremely incompetent and corrupt.

South Africa is relatively good because a white government built it into a first-world nation, in spite of international oppression. And, even though monkeys run the place now, between foreign aid and a well designed government structure, SA is still halfway civilized, but you'd never know it from the crime rate.

Expansion westward seemed perfectly natural to many Americans in the mid-nineteenth century. Like the Massachusetts Puritans who hoped to build a "city ...

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