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Old June 26th, 2011, 10:27 AM   #1
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According to a woman who used to work for the United States government, the government officials who operate the United States education system, as well as other education systems, are deliberately dumbing down today's youth. I know that they do this to a certain extent in order to create docile workers, which is what school is basically for, creating a work force. However, I'm not sure it's to the extent that the woman is talking about. What do you guys think?



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Old June 26th, 2011, 12:15 PM   #2
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According to a woman who used to work for the United States government, the government officials who operate the United States education system, as well as other education systems, are deliberately dumbing down today's youth. I know that they do this to a certain extent in order to create docile workers, which is what school is basically for, creating a work force. However, I'm not sure it's to the extent that the woman is talking about. What do you guys think?



[media]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DDyDtYy2I0M[/media]


Wow, very interesting. The subject itself is of great fascination to me as I believe it 100%, seen it with my own eyes at one of the institutions where I was attending (i.e. allowing students to pass though they put forth no effort or expressed the typical liberal points of view the course was meant to instill (brainwash) into them.



I checked to see if her book was available and there were only 2 on Amazon at $199 each, and one on eBay for nearly the same price given the fact it is out of print and rare.



Notwithstanding, it has been a common theme heard before and during Obama's Administration that he could care less about the advancement of US Education because free thinkers and educated people (i.e. conservatives) go against his (and those like minded) New World Order of a socialistic, liberalized and entirely Marxist mentality.



Anyhow, I would be most curious to read her book and check her claims/facts myself.



Other books on the same lines of thought is one I read and have in my library is "Illiberal Education" by Dinesh D'Souza.



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Thank you for posting an interesting video, Laguna.



This isn't an Obama administration phenomenon, and you're "on the other side" if you believe it is, Troy.



What I mean by "on the other side" is that the changes in public education date to the 70s, at least. NWO thinking, and propagandizing, goes so much deeper than party politics and politicians. So, to dress this issue with policies of the Obama administration provides cover for the people, cabal, really responsible for the incremental changes in public education.



But moreover, I've absolutely no knowledge of a common theme heard before and during Obama's Administration that he could care less about the advancement of US education.
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I don't blame the government for dumbing down Americans, I blame Americans.
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It's not either/or, it's both/and.
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People should take personal responsibility and raise their children with information outside of what they get in school.
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Agreed, totally.



People should love their neighbor, too. The reality is that they don't.



The author interviewed recounted personal experience with "high-level" planning. American public education has been used as a social engineering tool ... by the invisible "somebodies."
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Oh yes, it must be that way, since you believe and think so. And we know that you're never wrong.
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Thank you for posting an interesting video, Laguna.



This isn't an Obama administration phenomenon, and you're "on the other side" if you believe it is, Troy.


I agree, this isn't solely an Obama issue...but he is continuing that which was began so many years ago.



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What I mean by "on the other side" is that the changes in public education date to the 70s, at least. NWO thinking, and propagandizing, goes so much deeper than party politics and politicians. So, to dress this issue with policies of the Obama administration provides cover for the people, cabal, really responsible for the incremental changes in public education.



But moreover, I've absolutely no knowledge of a common theme heard before and during Obama's Administration that he could care less about the advancement of US education.


It's a loose issue that I have been reading about in a few political pundit books, among others...



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And we knw that you're never wrong.


And apparently neither are you !!!!



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And we knw that you're never wrong.


And apparently neither are you !!!!



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You sure know an awful lot for having been here all of three minutes. Troll.
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And we knw that you're never wrong.


And apparently neither are you !!!!



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You sure know an awful [sic] lot for having been here all of three minutes. Troll.

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Your hypocrisy is rearing its trollish head yet again...



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Get a life. You aren't fooling anyone. You are now one of those who I won't repsond to. I don't ignore, I just don't bother with you from now on. You're a waste of time and typing. And yes, you are indeed a troll, and not a very convincing liar.
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Get a life.


How original WT.



The typical response from someone who cannot hold their own in a debate with someone whose debating skills outmatch their own.



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You aren't fooling anyone.


There's no need to; besides, you and people like you will see and believe only what you want to see and believe...it's called confirmation bias; or more appropriately...DENIAL!



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You are now one of those who I won't repsond to.


Your loss, not mine.



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I don't ignore, I just don't [sic] bother with you from now on. You're a waste of time and typing.


More immature unsubstantiated ignorant personal attacks...tisk tisk.



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And yes, you are indeed a troll...


A troll is one who intends on disrupting normal discourse by flaming others personally. I have done nothing of the kind whereas you and so many others have.



You conveniently cry "troll" out of sheer weakness and a clear inability to hold your own in an honest debate/discussion with me.



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and not a very convincing liar.


I have not lied, another baseless accusation upon my character.



Sad...



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Thank you for posting an interesting video, Laguna.



This isn't an Obama administration phenomenon, and you're "on the other side" if you believe it is, Troy.


I agree, this isn't solely an Obama issue...but he is continuing that which was began so many years ago.



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What I mean by "on the other side" is that the changes in public education date to the 70s, at least. NWO thinking, and propagandizing, goes so much deeper than party politics and politicians. So, to dress this issue with policies of the Obama administration provides cover for the people, cabal, really responsible for the incremental changes in public education.



But moreover, I've absolutely no knowledge of a common theme heard before and during Obama's Administration that he could care less about the advancement of US education.


It's a loose issue that I have been reading about in a few political pundit books, among others...



Troy


It's an issue worth intense scrutiny and identification of sources. It's clear to me that partisanship is used by NWO-advocates to create diversion, sustain it, amplify it, and then when the cycle is exhausted for that issue, well there's always another one.



I'm very skeptical of any claims of substantive differences in party leadership. In party membership, differences do indeed exist, just not at the leadership levels on many critical issues, basically the welfare/warfare state which moves ahead regardless who's in power. It did under Bush. It is under Obama.
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What!?! That old bag doesn’t know what she’s talking about. If you’re so worried about the dumbing down of our youth then stop the Texas Board of Education from rewriting American history with a conservative slant. Opps, never mind because they already have voted last year to already do so. And since the Texas Board of Educational sets the standard for school books content nation wide (standards with their massive buying power for text books and political agenda) then we all end of feeling the effects of this politically motivated rewrite.



And this isn't anything new, Jefferson actually believed that young people should be able to go to college regardless of their ability to pay, their station in life, and how rich or poor their parents were. He though that an educated populace was the best defense of liberty and democracy in the new nation he'd helped birth. So the University of Virginia that he started was free.



Ronald Reagan hated this idea and he was diametrically opposed to the "Jeffersonian" ideal. When he took office as governor of California in 1967, he quickly called for an end to free tuition at the University of California and an across the board 20% cut in state funding for higher education. He then argued for a cut in spending on construction for higher education in the state and set up the firing of the popular president of the university, Clark Kerr, Whom he deemed "too liberal"



When President Reagan was asked why he was doing away with free college in California. Reagan said that the role of the state "should not be to subsidize intellectual curiosity (WTF)." Rreagan further referred to college students who nationwide were protesting the Vietnam War as "brats," "cowardly fascists," and "freaks." Adding that if the only way to "restore order" on the nation's campuses was violence, that was fine with him. Just a few days before the Kent State Shootings, Reagan famously said, "If it takes a blookbath, let's get it over with. NO MORE APPEASEMENT!"



Talking about dumbing down America, well here's the truth.



http://www.huffingto..._Jefferson_Whos



http://www.msnbc.msn...xtbook-changes/
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What!?! That old bag doesn’t know what she’s talking about. If you’re so worried about the dumbing down of our youth then stop the Texas Board of Education from rewriting American history with a conservative slant. Opps, never mind because they already have voted last year to already do so. And since the Texas Board of Educational sets the standard for school books content nation wide (standards with their massive buying power for text books and political agenda) then we all end of feeling the effects of this politically motivated rewrite.



And this isn't anything new, Jefferson actually believed that young people should be able to go to college regardless of their ability to pay, their station in life, and how rich or poor their parents were. He though that an educated populace was the best defense of liberty and democracy in the new nation he'd helped birth. So the University of Virginia that he started was free.



Ronald Reagan hated this idea and he was diametrically opposed to the "Jeffersonian" ideal. When he took office as governor of California in 1967, he quickly called for an end to free tuition at the University of California and an across the board 20% cut in state funding for higher education. He then argued for a cut in spending on construction for higher education in the state and set up the firing of the popular president of the university, Clark Kerr, Whom he deemed "too liberal"



When President Reagan was asked why he was doing away with free college in California. Reagan said that the role of the state "should not be to subsidize intellectual curiosity (WTF)." Rreagan further referred to college students who nationwide were protesting the Vietnam War as "brats," "cowardly fascists," and "freaks." Adding that if the only way to "restore order" on the nation's campuses was violence, that was fine with him. Just a few days before the Kent State Shootings, Reagan famously said, "If it takes a blookbath, let's get it over with. NO MORE APPEASEMENT!"



Talking about dumbing down America, well here's the truth.



http://www.huffingto..._Jefferson_Whos



http://www.msnbc.msn...xtbook-changes/


Wow, if what you say is true (I have not checked the links out yet, too early in the morning and getting read for work...just reviewing the thread as I eat breakfast and have a cup of tea), I did not know that and am quite curious to look more into that. Sheesh...what a travesty if this did indeed happen!



Good response, thanks for sharing!



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Yeah, we all here have some nice bags of knowledge that I know you will greatly appreciate and benefit from GWV.
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Get a life. You aren't fooling anyone. You are now one of those who I won't repsond to. I don't ignore, I just don't bother with you from now on. You're a waste of time and typing. And yes, you are indeed a troll, and not a very convincing liar.


How childish
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Get a life. You aren't fooling anyone. You are now one of those who I won't repsond to. I don't ignore, I just don't bother with you from now on. You're a waste of time and typing. And yes, you are indeed a troll, and not a very convincing liar.


How childish


I second that!



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