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Old July 19th, 2011, 03:53 PM   #1
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The war in afganistan and now also the war in libya is one of the most importaint topics in elections all over the world. But when the U.S. is undermining freedom of information in the afganistan conflict they are also undermining democracy in Both the U.S. and all N.A.T.O countries. Yet the U.S. keeps treating wikileaks, assange and manning as their own national issue. So if you live in the U.S. don't let you're police state destroy democracy.



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Old July 19th, 2011, 04:37 PM   #2
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The US has been working against democratic principles for quite a while.



Here's how the US has been "spreading democracy" - If you will allow US corporations free rein in your country, here's some cash for you to play with ... oh yeah, here's some weapons to deal with the "anti-democracy" elements in your society. If you're not interested in "democracy," we might have to bomb you....
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The war in afganistan and now also the war in libya is one of the most importaint topics in elections all over the world. But when the U.S. is undermining freedom of information in the afganistan conflict they are also undermining democracy in Both the U.S. and all N.A.T.O countries. Yet the U.S. keeps treating wikileaks, assange and manning as their own national issue. So if you live in the U.S. don't let you're police state destroy democracy.


The US has been using force to further it's "democratic" message for decades now. It is not just this war, but many more conflicts before it going as far back as the Spanish-American War.
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Any nation or leader that we have installed for our own selfish strategic goals, has ended up costing us a whole hell of a lot, each and every time. And the only people gaining anything are the weapons manufacturers and inventors, the armed services, and the Congress that allows it to go on in perpetuity.
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Yes, those people "benefit." But, the financeers benefit coming and going, starvation or obesity, war and peace, democracy or tyranny.
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Not "THE US" , but the Politicians in the REP&DEM Parties ! And of course it is the Sheeple of America

who are to weak to stop them ...



http://www.floridawhig.com/issue/545...-charlie-reese



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Old December 10th, 2011, 07:53 PM   #7
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Well, in my personal opinion, the Rep and Dem parties have lost their way and don't know what they're doing. Where are the people who do? All probably in hiding, or in the case that concerns me, trying to find the right route as to go and get this country of ours, the USA, back under what it was founded by. But if no one acts, how is it going to happen to fix this country? Why is it that no one will take the step forward and do what is necessary? Power is a corruptional force, yes, but where is the one person who can wield it without blemish? Let me know that first off. If you can find the right person, then the parties can be fixed and the USA can be put back on track.

Look, I see it as this: The USA has lost its way and the people who are running for the highest office, President, don't know what they're doing. When was the last time we were out of financial debt? When was the last time a President actually thought along the lines of, "Huh, I wonder what the People want to be done?" Where are those guys at? I say let not the ones who are already corrupted and think of themselves run the offices, but the People run the office. The beaurecrats can kiss my behind for all I care. If they're gonna tango with the People, then don't we have the right to tango with them? Anyways....my main question is this: Where are the people fighting for what the USA was founded upon?
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Quick answer: The Tea Party movement.
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Old December 11th, 2011, 06:21 AM   #9
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Then why do I hear nothing of them? If they were fighting to fix the US from their political standpoint, why are they not mentioned in the news or put in the paper? Information is a key virtue to fixing something that needs to be fixed. If the Tea Party Movement is doing what I'm asking about, then why are they not mentioned whatsoever? Freedom of the press? Not likely.
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Where are the people fighting for what the USA was founded upon?


Quick answer: The Tea Party movement.
Supporters of the Tea Party Movement are fighting their own ignorance about history, economics, and reality itself. The Tea Party Movement as a whole wants to return us all to the the time before The Enlightenment, to a philosophy of absolutely backward ideas about morality and the rights of human beings. They are an anti-intellectual mob who are encouraged to get behind populist politicians through the use of crude and dishonest symbolism and outright lies. The Democrats and Republicans do this as well but with a lot more sophistication, and with the aim of keeping the economy running instead of grinding it to a sudden halt. This requires concessions from the ruling class to the working class, and a lot more finesse to pull off the trick and still maintain control than the average Tea Party supporter can comprehend. The Tea Party Movement could not be fighting for what the USA was founded upon because it doesn't know what that is and lacks the tools to ever discover it.
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I am not discounting any of the ideas expressed on this thread so far; however, can anyone name a better country than the US in which to live?
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I am not discounting any of the ideas expressed on this thread so far; however, can anyone name a better country than the US in which to live?


The Queen of England would probably say the United Kingdom. Would she be wrong?



Is what you are really asking: In what country is there more individual freedom? Or, democracy? Or, opportunities to get rich? Or, to buy cocaine?



You must better define "better" I think.
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I am not discounting any of the ideas expressed on this thread so far; however, can anyone name a better country than the US in which to live?


The Queen of England would probably say the United Kingdom. Would she be wrong?



Is what you are really asking: In what country is there more individual freedom? Or, democracy? Or, opportunities to get rich? Or, to buy cocaine?



You must better define "better" I think.


I have been to many countries. I have lived in a few too. Right now I am working and living in Monterrey, Mexico. I have also lived in Iraq and Afghanistan. I think individual freedom with the opportunity to make money are good things. If you enjoy being told how to wipe your ass properly - that is your right.
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I am not discounting any of the ideas expressed on this thread so far; however, can anyone name a better country than the US in which to live?


The Top 5 Happiest countries in the World



1. Norway



2. Denmark



3. Finland



4. Australia



5. New Zealand




6. Sweden




7. Canada




8. Switzerland




9. Netherlands




http://www.forbes.co...-countries.html



Now go ask those people in the happiest countries in the world whether if they would like to live in U.S. that has the biggest wealth gap out of all the OECD countries.
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Old January 17th, 2012, 07:01 PM   #15
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@Isaac Mortimer: So then you're saying that with beliefs that the country we are in, the USA, are those fixed on swindeling the lower classes out of money and just giving the higher classes more? I think that's wrong. That's all that is happening and it needs fixed, besides from the corruption placed in our government offices.



@Fayt: First off, love the name. Second....I think they'd say the USA only cause they don't know what they'd be getting into. They'd find us as a country devoid of jobs. Which is what's happening. I've moved all over the USA in my short years....I'm only 20. And no matter where I went...there were no jobs.



@ Anyone else who cares: This country has gone to...hell. We've fallen off the track that we were placed on and no one cared to lift us back on. What I'd love to say is this: Our country has gone to hell and is going to stay there unless the people who know what it needs stands up. I'm not saying I do. I'm just saying I know a way to get that movement going.
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Thanks, and what do you suggest?
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First off, having our government pump money back into our economy. And the same with the politicians and other "well made" peoples of the USA. If they hold the money for themselves: we don't increase our economy and we also go farther in debt. Our debt itself is over 3 trillion dollars, last time I checked. It could be much worse. The government say they'll put a cap on it...but they haven't. Actually do the cap and start getting money back out there. Lets lower this danged debt and actually increase our economy. If people were to put money back into the USA...we'd get more jobs, a better status among the world, and even yet: better items for us to spoil our kids with. Even though our kids are mostly lazy now... *sighs* And most my age are as well. Rather sad huh? But anyways...we need to get money back into our system....and have the government and the "well made" peoples donate large sums of money. Large as in a couple million or so....or at least a couple thousand. Something along those lines.
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I think your solution is on the right track ghost but relaying on people to donate isn't effective. Can I suggest taxing people of great wealth being a more effective way of doing what you suggested?



P.S. I don't think kids are that lazy.
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Taxing the wealthier would be better. But donations from people who actually care would be a good solution too. But I see we have like minds in this, and that I'm grateful for. Not many people think like this. *sighs*



Also, about kids...yeah they are. They're all mostly over weight, won't get a job, and also...they expect everything to be done for them. Irritates the living daylights outta me.
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Our debt itself is over 3 trillion dollars, last time I checked. It could be much worse.


Oh it is. When was the last time you checked? Last time I checked, the US' national debt was $15.26 billion. That's much worse, five times worse.



And some people say, well, FDR spent the US out of the Depression so the solution to the Recession is deficit spending. Maybe, but for a fact FDR didn't spend our way out of the Depression with $15+trillion in debt hanging over his head.
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