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Old September 20th, 2011, 05:18 AM   #1
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I am NOT campaigning here as I just want to discuss such things, but I am a candidate in my Maryland for the US Senate 2012, but if I win then my politics will affect the entire USA.



My point and platform is to radically reform the Child Support laws under federal mandate. Link.



As like the law says the c/s must be taken as a percentage but instead the State Courts only order fixed set amounts which is severely abusive and detrimental to all concerned.



Thereby the laws have unjustly turned parenting into a crime and turned parents into criminals and it destroys the family unit and alienates the children.



The system needs to be stopped or dramatically reformed and yet most people are just determined to pretend that the injustices and ruin are just acceptable conditions.



Child Support claims to be helping children when it is really just playing politics with our society.



So I was wondering if anyone here has any input onto this subject?



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Old September 20th, 2011, 05:26 AM   #2
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I think that there are many things wrong with the way this issue is handled by the system. Yet I completely believe that no parent should be allowed to shun their responsibilities to their children without suffering consequences. Time should be divided as evenly as possible as women have to work as well as men, and they have to make it work if they chose to create a child. Too many times, men paying child support remarry and share support for children they have in their second marriage and ignore their responsibilities for their older children from their previous marriage.



The best solution is not to get divorced or not to have children that you can't remain responsible for if you don't remain married or never were married to the mother. And if you do, don't go and make it harder for yourself by having even more children that you have to support and share in raising.
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The laws have not turned parents into criminals. Parents have done that all by themselves.



According to the census bureau, almost 60 percent of children living with only their mother were near or below the poverty line.



Perhaps it is time to treat criminal parents as criminals.
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JP, are these your words here? If so, do you stand by them?





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I just do not see it as the same equation because most Men / fathers act as Gentleman in these cases, while most Women / mothers behave like cry babies in these cases. The handicap between Men and Women is that the Men will not fight back against their own Woman and particularly not when the Woman is the mother of their children. It is a matter of the male / masculine mentality and Manliness that Men are not to fight back or even resist the females even in situations where the Woman is a mean and hateful witch. This male mentality is the big reason that the Child Support and Custody laws go unchallenged and the females have escalated it to the perverted levels as it is today. There is no such female or feminine restraint as they attack and slander against the fathers of their children with a callous disregard while the fathers just take whatever is thrown at them. And I agree with the fathers that it is proper to refuse to resist their children’s Mom because it is not Manly to fight against Women, but we all do need to fight against the unjust laws of Child Support and Custody that attack and hurt the family unit. It is like the “Salem Witch Trials” mentality, in that innocent citizens were being called “witch witch” are now slandering citizen parents with “deadbeat deadbeat” by the emotionally immature people, and it is the law and the Courts that need to stop empowering and enabling this modern dysfunction. It is the law and the Courts that give power and execution to the cry-baby slander against the separated parents when all the children are already fine and provided to overflowing. In the Child Support and Custody system we have emotional ignorance overflowing. Source of quote



I am not certain possitive, but I do believe it is very true; that any woman that has a cat for a pet is off limits, there is no use for any man to seek them, no reason to flirt with them, and do not try to date one, because the woman having a pet cat is a sure sign that her heart is closed and she has completely given up on men. The woman might say otherwise, and they might even go to single groups, and they post online dating sites seeking her “Prince Charming”, but men do not be fooled. The pet cat is the sure sign of winter’s cold. I get this opinion from experience and looking around. And the women talk to each other so a new woman comes around and another woman will whisper to them to go get a cat. And I do not say owning the cats make the women cold, the cat is just a sign. An I do admit that surely there might be some single women with a cat and not be rigid, just as surely there are some single men that might have a cat, but my point remains true for the vast majority. A single woman over 40 and having a pet cat is not going to be open to any romantic relationship, and it is a sign for men to stay away and do not even try. Source of quote



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While I am no psychologist I am wondering if his issues with women started with his resentment of his mother.


I am the sixth of 12 siblings with a mother from outer space and they are all in big denial. So this here is reaching out. Source of quote



I read an old book called “Sybil” that the old movie was based on and it was very informative to me because it told some of what was wrong with the mother. Since I have treated my own codependency my own mom is still a deamon and I search and wonder why. Source of quote
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JP, are these your words here? If so, do you stand by them?





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I just do not see it as the same equation because most Men / fathers act as Gentleman in these cases, while most Women / mothers behave like cry babies in these cases. The handicap between Men and Women is that the Men will not fight back against their own Woman and particularly not when the Woman is the mother of their children. It is a matter of the male / masculine mentality and Manliness that Men are not to fight back or even resist the females even in situations where the Woman is a mean and hateful witch. This male mentality is the big reason that the Child Support and Custody laws go unchallenged and the females have escalated it to the perverted levels as it is today. There is no such female or feminine restraint as they attack and slander against the fathers of their children with a callous disregard while the fathers just take whatever is thrown at them. And I agree with the fathers that it is proper to refuse to resist their children’s Mom because it is not Manly to fight against Women, but we all do need to fight against the unjust laws of Child Support and Custody that attack and hurt the family unit. It is like the “Salem Witch Trials” mentality, in that innocent citizens were being called “witch witch” are now slandering citizen parents with “deadbeat deadbeat” by the emotionally immature people, and it is the law and the Courts that need to stop empowering and enabling this modern dysfunction. It is the law and the Courts that give power and execution to the cry-baby slander against the separated parents when all the children are already fine and provided to overflowing. In the Child Support and Custody system we have emotional ignorance overflowing. Source of quote



I am not certain possitive, but I do believe it is very true; that any woman that has a cat for a pet is off limits, there is no use for any man to seek them, no reason to flirt with them, and do not try to date one, because the woman having a pet cat is a sure sign that her heart is closed and she has completely given up on men. The woman might say otherwise, and they might even go to single groups, and they post online dating sites seeking her “Prince Charming”, but men do not be fooled. The pet cat is the sure sign of winter’s cold. I get this opinion from experience and looking around. And the women talk to each other so a new woman comes around and another woman will whisper to them to go get a cat. And I do not say owning the cats make the women cold, the cat is just a sign. An I do admit that surely there might be some single women with a cat and not be rigid, just as surely there are some single men that might have a cat, but my point remains true for the vast majority. A single woman over 40 and having a pet cat is not going to be open to any romantic relationship, and it is a sign for men to stay away and do not even try. Source of quote



Quote:
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While I am no psychologist I am wondering if his issues with women started with his resentment of his mother.


I am the sixth of 12 siblings with a mother from outer space and they are all in big denial. So this here is reaching out. Source of quote



I read an old book called “Sybil” that the old movie was based on and it was very informative to me because it told some of what was wrong with the mother. Since I have treated my own codependency my own mom is still a deamon and I search and wonder why. Source of quote




OMG!
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JP, are these your words here? If so, do you stand by them?





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I just do not see it as the same equation because most Men / fathers act as Gentleman in these cases, while most Women / mothers behave like cry babies in these cases. The handicap between Men and Women is that the Men will not fight back against their own Woman and particularly not when the Woman is the mother of their children. It is a matter of the male / masculine mentality and Manliness that Men are not to fight back or even resist the females even in situations where the Woman is a mean and hateful witch. This male mentality is the big reason that the Child Support and Custody laws go unchallenged and the females have escalated it to the perverted levels as it is today. There is no such female or feminine restraint as they attack and slander against the fathers of their children with a callous disregard while the fathers just take whatever is thrown at them. And I agree with the fathers that it is proper to refuse to resist their children’s Mom because it is not Manly to fight against Women, but we all do need to fight against the unjust laws of Child Support and Custody that attack and hurt the family unit. It is like the “Salem Witch Trials” mentality, in that innocent citizens were being called “witch witch” are now slandering citizen parents with “deadbeat deadbeat” by the emotionally immature people, and it is the law and the Courts that need to stop empowering and enabling this modern dysfunction. It is the law and the Courts that give power and execution to the cry-baby slander against the separated parents when all the children are already fine and provided to overflowing. In the Child Support and Custody system we have emotional ignorance overflowing. Source of quote



I am not certain possitive, but I do believe it is very true; that any woman that has a cat for a pet is off limits, there is no use for any man to seek them, no reason to flirt with them, and do not try to date one, because the woman having a pet cat is a sure sign that her heart is closed and she has completely given up on men. The woman might say otherwise, and they might even go to single groups, and they post online dating sites seeking her “Prince Charming”, but men do not be fooled. The pet cat is the sure sign of winter’s cold. I get this opinion from experience and looking around. And the women talk to each other so a new woman comes around and another woman will whisper to them to go get a cat. And I do not say owning the cats make the women cold, the cat is just a sign. An I do admit that surely there might be some single women with a cat and not be rigid, just as surely there are some single men that might have a cat, but my point remains true for the vast majority. A single woman over 40 and having a pet cat is not going to be open to any romantic relationship, and it is a sign for men to stay away and do not even try. Source of quote



Quote:
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While I am no psychologist I am wondering if his issues with women started with his resentment of his mother.


I am the sixth of 12 siblings with a mother from outer space and they are all in big denial. So this here is reaching out. Source of quote



I read an old book called “Sybil” that the old movie was based on and it was very informative to me because it told some of what was wrong with the mother. Since I have treated my own codependency my own mom is still a deamon and I search and wonder why. Source of quote




OMG!


I'm wondering how this could be a good thing when running for office?? LOL
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JP, are these your words here? If so, do you stand by them?





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I just do not see it as the same equation because most Men / fathers act as Gentleman in these cases, while most Women / mothers behave like cry babies in these cases. The handicap between Men and Women is that the Men will not fight back against their own Woman and particularly not when the Woman is the mother of their children. It is a matter of the male / masculine mentality and Manliness that Men are not to fight back or even resist the females even in situations where the Woman is a mean and hateful witch. This male mentality is the big reason that the Child Support and Custody laws go unchallenged and the females have escalated it to the perverted levels as it is today. There is no such female or feminine restraint as they attack and slander against the fathers of their children with a callous disregard while the fathers just take whatever is thrown at them. And I agree with the fathers that it is proper to refuse to resist their children’s Mom because it is not Manly to fight against Women, but we all do need to fight against the unjust laws of Child Support and Custody that attack and hurt the family unit. It is like the “Salem Witch Trials” mentality, in that innocent citizens were being called “witch witch” are now slandering citizen parents with “deadbeat deadbeat” by the emotionally immature people, and it is the law and the Courts that need to stop empowering and enabling this modern dysfunction. It is the law and the Courts that give power and execution to the cry-baby slander against the separated parents when all the children are already fine and provided to overflowing. In the Child Support and Custody system we have emotional ignorance overflowing. Source of quote



I am not certain possitive, but I do believe it is very true; that any woman that has a cat for a pet is off limits, there is no use for any man to seek them, no reason to flirt with them, and do not try to date one, because the woman having a pet cat is a sure sign that her heart is closed and she has completely given up on men. The woman might say otherwise, and they might even go to single groups, and they post online dating sites seeking her “Prince Charming”, but men do not be fooled. The pet cat is the sure sign of winter’s cold. I get this opinion from experience and looking around. And the women talk to each other so a new woman comes around and another woman will whisper to them to go get a cat. And I do not say owning the cats make the women cold, the cat is just a sign. An I do admit that surely there might be some single women with a cat and not be rigid, just as surely there are some single men that might have a cat, but my point remains true for the vast majority. A single woman over 40 and having a pet cat is not going to be open to any romantic relationship, and it is a sign for men to stay away and do not even try. Source of quote



Quote:
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While I am no psychologist I am wondering if his issues with women started with his resentment of his mother.


I am the sixth of 12 siblings with a mother from outer space and they are all in big denial. So this here is reaching out. Source of quote



I read an old book called “Sybil” that the old movie was based on and it was very informative to me because it told some of what was wrong with the mother. Since I have treated my own codependency my own mom is still a deamon and I search and wonder why. Source of quote




OMG!


I'm wondering how this could be a good thing when running for office?? LOL

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I think he made a typo. I think he meant 'running FROM office'.
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Old September 20th, 2011, 07:38 AM   #8
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The laws have not turned parents into criminals. Parents have done that all by themselves.



According to the census bureau, almost 60 percent of children living with only their mother were near or below the poverty line.



Perhaps it is time to treat criminal parents as criminals.


Without knowing the particulars of the single mothers, this statistic doesn't say much.



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Married fathers are America’s strongest weapon in reducing childhood poverty. Put another way, the absence of a husband and father at home is the greatest cause of poverty for children today.

The poverty rate for single parents with children is 35.6 percent, the latest U.S Census numbers show. For married couples with children, the poverty rate is only 6.4 percent.

Being raised in a family where Dad is married to Mom reduces a child’s probability of living in poverty by about percent. True, single parents tend to have less education than married couples. But when we compare married couples to single parents with the same education levels, the poverty rate for married couples is still 70 percent lower.

Being married has the same effect in reducing poverty as adding five to six years to a parent’s education.

Unfortunately, marriage is rapidly declining in American society. In 1964, when President Lyndon Johnson launched the War on Poverty, 93 percent of the nation’s children were born to married parents. Today it’s only 59 percent.

A total of 1.7 million children were born outside marriage in 2008, the latest year for which Census numbers are available.

That’s more than four out of every 10 babies. It’s over half of all Hispanic babies. And a staggering seven out of 10 among blacks.

Most of these out-of-wedlock births were to women who face the hardest time going it alone as parents: They’re young adults with a high school education or less. College-educated women rarely have children outside marriage.

The United States is steadily separating into a two-caste system, with marriage and education as the dividing line: In the high-income segment of the population, children are raised by married parents with a college education; in the lower-income segment, children are raised by single parents with a high school diploma at best.
http://dailycaller.com/2010/06/21/ma...#ixzz1YVVnyw76
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The laws have not turned parents into criminals. Parents have done that all by themselves.



According to the census bureau, almost 60 percent of children living with only their mother were near or below the poverty line.



Perhaps it is time to treat criminal parents as criminals.


There truly is hard evidence that the Child Support system turns parents into criminals, and alienates the children from their parents, and that it needs to be reformed.



Link here = MSNBC - Poor Parents land in jail. The law is already unjustly treating parents as criminals.



And it is noteworthy to add that ONLY only poor and impoverished and dead-broke parents go to jail, because if they have money to pay then they walk free.



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The laws have not turned parents into criminals. Parents have done that all by themselves.



According to the census bureau, almost 60 percent of children living with only their mother were near or below the poverty line.



Perhaps it is time to treat criminal parents as criminals.


There truly is hard evidence that the Child Support system turns parents into criminals, and alienates the children from their parents, and that it needs to be reformed.



Link here = MSNBC - Poor Parents land in jail. The law is already unjustly treating parents as criminals.



And it is noteworthy to add that ONLY only poor and impoverished and dead-broke parents go to jail, because if they have money to pay then they walk free.








I fully support the state providing legal representation for indigent parents faced with jail, however, cases like that are a drop in the bucket.



When it comes to 'deadbeat dads' we're not talking about those who legitimately cannot pay, we're talking about those who simply refuse to pay.



Why did you refuse to pay?
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