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Old September 15th, 2013, 10:03 AM   #1
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Defining the Tea Party

Several posters here, TN being one of the more vocal, often refer to the Tea Party. TN has been stating that the Tea Party led the fight to keep Congress committed to avert a strike on Syria for example.

It appeared to me that when the Tea Party first stated appearing in the media they were a spontaneous groundroots movement which were primarily fiscally conservative and pro-small government. Very libertarian in fact.

Again, it appears to me that the early popularity of the group both surprised and pleased a lot of the GOP and over time much of the mainstream GOP have infiltrated and taken over. I often hear descriptive terms like "Tea Party darling" and so on but I have no feel for who or what the Tea Party is, who the members are and who the leader or leaders are, if any.

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Old September 15th, 2013, 10:33 AM   #3
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Several posters here, TN being one of the more vocal, often refer to the Tea Party. TN has been stating that the Tea Party led the fight to keep Congress committed to avert a strike on Syria for example.

It appeared to me that when the Tea Party first stated appearing in the media they were a spontaneous groundroots movement which were primarily fiscally conservative and pro-small government. Very libertarian in fact.

Again, it appears to me that the early popularity of the group both surprised and pleased a lot of the GOP and over time much of the mainstream GOP have infiltrated and taken over. I often hear descriptive terms like "Tea Party darling" and so on but I have no feel for who or what the Tea Party is, who the members are and who the leader or leaders are, if any.

Discuss.
The TEA Party is very much of a Libertarian group, and Libertarians believe that wars are to be conducted as acts of congress, not, executive order. As required in Article 1 section 8 clause 11 of the US Constitution.

They believe in Fiscal Responsibility,


Their platform has nothing to do with social issues,


So, the TEA Party was going to insure an attack on Syria was not to be begun lightly. Without the authorization of congress.


Tea Party Movement Platform

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1. Eliminate Excessive Taxes - Excessively high taxes are a burden for those exercising their personal liberty to work hard and prosper as afforded by the Constitution. A fiscally responsible government protects the freedom of its citizens to enjoy the fruits of their own labor without interference from a government that has exceeded its necessary size, scope and reach into the lives of its citizens.

“Collecting more taxes than is absolutely necessary is legalized robbery.” --Calvin Coolidge

“A wise and frugal government, which shall leave men free to regulate their own pursuits of industry and improvement, and shall not take from the mouth of labor the bread it has earned - this is the sum of good government.” --Thomas Jefferson

“Any tax is a discouragement and therefore a regulation.” --Oliver Wendell Holmes, Jr.



Also see: What is the Tea Party; Tea Party Ideas; Tea Partiers; Voice of the Tea Party


2. Eliminate the National Debt - By implementing fiscally conservative policies at all levels of government, progress can be made toward eliminating the U.S. National Debt. Massive increases in the National Debt have created and continue to create a huge burden for the next generation of Americans, thus imperiling the country’s short-term and long-term economic health and prosperity.

“You cannot escape the responsibility of tomorrow by evading it today.” --Abraham Lincoln

“If there must be trouble, let it be in my day, that my child may have peace.” --Thomas Paine, 1776

“As on the one hand, the necessity for borrowing in particular emergencies cannot be doubted, so on the other, it is equally evident that to be able to borrow upon good terms, it is essential that the credit of a nation should be well established.” --Alexander Hamilton, 1790

Tea Party Platform continued:

3. Eliminate Deficit Spending - All deficit spending must be eliminated immediately. We insist that government representatives at all levels maintain a fiscally responsible budget and balance the books as would be expected of any American business.

“Arbitrary power is most easily established on the ruins of liberty abused to licentiousness.” --George Washington

“A penny saved is a penny earned.” --Benjamin Franklin

“Tomorrow, every Fault is to be amended; but that Tomorrow never comes.” --Benjamin Franklin

Tea Party Platform - Home of the Tea Party Movement Platform continued:

4. Protect Free Markets - America’s free enterprise system allows businesses to thrive as they compete in the open marketplace and strive toward ever better services and products. Allowing free markets to prosper unfettered by government interference is what propelled this country to greatness with an enduring belief in the industriousness and innovations of the populace.

“That some achieve great success, is proof to all that others can achieve it as well.” --Abraham Lincoln

“You cannot build character and courage by taking away a man’s initiative and independence.” --Abraham Lincoln

“The government’s view of the economy could be summed up in a few short phrases: If it moves, tax it. If it keeps moving, regulate it. And if it stops moving, subsidize it.” --Ronald Reagan

Tea Party Platform continued:

5. Abide by the Constitution of the United States - The U.S. Constitution is the supreme law of the land and must be adhered to without exception at all levels of government. This includes the Bill of Rights and other Amendments to the U.S. Constitution and their provisions designed to protect states’ rights and individual liberties.

“A general Dissolution of Principles & Manners will more surely overthrow the Liberties of America than the whole Force of the Common Enemy.” --Samuel Adams, 1779

“The Constitution is the guide which I will never abandon.” --George Washington

“We the people are the rightful masters of both Congress and the courts, not to overthrow the Constitution but to overthrow the men who pervert the Constitution.” --Abraham Lincoln

Tea Party Platform continued:

6. Promote Civic Responsibility - Citizen involvement at the grassroots level allows the voice of the American people to be heard and directs the political behaviors of our representatives at both the local and national level so they, in turn, may be most effective in working to preserve the life, liberty and pursuit of happiness of this country’s citizens.

“The battle, sir, is not to the strong alone; it is to the vigilant, the active, the brave.” --Patrick Henry

“To sin by silence when they should protest makes cowards of men.” --Abraham Lincoln

“Truth will ultimately prevail where there is pains to bring it to light” --George Washington

“All tyranny needs to gain a foothold is for people of good conscience to remain silent.” --Thomas Jefferson

Tea Party Platform - Home of the Tea Party Movement Platform continued:

7. Reduce the Overall Size of Government - A bloated bureaucracy creates wasteful spending that plagues our government. Reducing the overall size, scope and reach of government at both local and national levels will help to eliminate inefficiencies that result in deficit spending which adds to our country’s debt.

“My observation is that whenever one person is found adequate to the discharge of a duty...it is worse executed by two persons, and scarcely done at all if three or more are employed therein.” --George Washington

“If we can prevent the government from wasting the labors of the people, under the pretense of taking care of them, they must become happy.” --Samuel Adams, 1802

“Energy and persistence conquer all things.” --Benjamin Franklin

Tea Party Platform continued:

8. Believe in the People - The American people, given their guaranteed freedoms, will thrive in a democratic, capitalist environment which allows individuals to strive toward ever greater achievements, innovations and the efficient production of needed and valued goods and services.

“Industry need not wish.” --Benjamin Franklin

“Government of the people, by the people, for the people, shall not perish from the Earth.” --Abraham Lincoln

“The people will save their government, if the government itself will allow them.” --Abraham Lincoln

Tea Party Platform continued:

9. Avoid the Pitfalls of Politics - American politics is burdened by big money from lobbyists and special interests with an undue influence on the peoples’ representatives. The Tea Party movement is seen as a threat to the entrenched political parties and thus is the continual target of smear campaigns and misrepresentation of its ideals. We choose not to respond to these attacks except to strongly and explicitly disavow any and all hate speech, any and all violence as well as insinuations of violence, and any and all extreme and fringe elements that bring discredit to the Tea Party Movement. We are a peaceful movement and respect other's opinions and views even though they do not agree with our own. We stand by the Tea Party beliefs and goals and choose to focus our energies on ensuring that our government representatives do the same.

“I am a firm believer in the people. If given the truth, they can be depended upon to meet any national crisis. The great point is to bring them the real facts.” --Abraham Lincoln

“Honesty is the best policy.” --Benjamin Franklin

“Guard against the impostures of pretended patriotism.” --George Washington
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The following, from the Tea Party website, to me contradicts the claim of a libertarian stance.

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July, 2010 - Michele Bachman, a U.S. Representative and a Republican from Minnesota, forms and chairs the House congressional Tea Party Caucus which focuses on the principles of the Tea Party movement including limited government, adhering to the United States Constitution, and insisting upon fiscal responsibility. In August of 2010 the Tea Party Caucus was comprised of forty-nine Republican representatives.

After the Caucus was formed Michele Bachman raised $10 million for the MichelePAC political action committee and funds were distributed to the election campaigns of Rand Paul, Marco Rubio, Sharon Angle and Christine O’Donnell.
And Rand Paul shows some very social conservative traits.
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Old September 15th, 2013, 10:47 AM   #6
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The following, from the Tea Party website, to me contradicts the claim of a libertarian stance.



And Rand Paul shows some very social conservative traits.
Tea Party members have varying views on Social Issues.


But the Party is not concerned with the social issues conservative or Liberal.

Most likely TEA Party members will lean Conservative on Social Issues as I do..

But it is not an objective of the party to be social conservatism as it's agenda
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Several posters here, TN being one of the more vocal, often refer to the Tea Party. TN has been stating that the Tea Party led the fight to keep Congress committed to avert a strike on Syria for example.

It appeared to me that when the Tea Party first stated appearing in the media they were a spontaneous groundroots movement which were primarily fiscally conservative and pro-small government. Very libertarian in fact.

Again, it appears to me that the early popularity of the group both surprised and pleased a lot of the GOP and over time much of the mainstream GOP have infiltrated and taken over. I often hear descriptive terms like "Tea Party darling" and so on but I have no feel for who or what the Tea Party is, who the members are and who the leader or leaders are, if any.

Discuss.
Stuart Whatley: The Tea Party Movement Is a National Embarrassment

Tea Party Hits Record Level Of Unpopularity In Public Opinion Poll

The Tea Party is more unpopular than ever before, according to a Rasmussen poll released Monday, with just three in 10 voters holding favorable views of the movement. Half of respondents said they view the party unfavorably.
Although most members of the House's Tea Party Caucus were reelected in November, the group had some high-profile losses, including the defeats of former Reps. Joe Walsh and Allen West. Rep. Michele Bachmann (R-Minn.), the chairwoman of the House Tea Party Caucus, barely retained her seat.

The movement is now widely seen by the public as declining, according to the Rasmussen poll -- 56 percent of voters said the Tea Party became less influential over the past year, and just 8 percent said they identified as part of the Tea Party movement.


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The Tea Party is an all-inclusive American grassroots movement, as stated above. They believe that everyone is created equal and deserves an equal opportunity to thrive in the U.S. where they may pursue life, liberty and happiness, as stated in the Dec. of Ind. and guaranteed by the Constitution. No one is excluded from participation in the Tea Party Movement and everyone is welcomed to join in seeking the Tea Party Goals.
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The Tea Party is an all-inclusive American grassroots movement, as stated above. They believe that everyone is created equal and deserves an equal opportunity to thrive in the U.S. where they may pursue life, liberty and happiness, as stated in the Dec. of Ind. and guaranteed by the Constitution. No one is excluded from participation in the Tea Party Movement and everyone is welcomed to join in seeking the Tea Party Goals.

You and maybe TN are the only ones who believe that.
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Actually the TEA Party leaders very many are Black, and Hispanic,


uh oh.. I guess that Lewinsky's Poets cry of racism
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