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Old November 28th, 2013, 08:48 AM   #41
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What if a teacher says a creation prayer, or a Wiccian Prayer, or states that they believe there is no such thing as a God, that is a teacher expressing their own beliefs

it is no different than a teacher expressing there opinion on the Jacksonian democracy..

What this does is allow school to be AN ACADEMIC establishment.

Because if you force any thought to not be taught, then you have ended all academia.
Which is the open expression and discussion of all ideas.

Now if a Teacher says a Muslim prayer cannot be spoken for example, but the Creationist prayer is, THEN you have the state aiding a faith over another.
You know as well as I do, if a teacher in Tennessee (or any other southern or bible belt state) even MENTIONS the word Wicca, actually stated their beliefs or AAACCCCKKK actually said a prayer within hearing range of the children THEY'D BE RUN OUT OF TOWN ON A RAIL !!!!!!

There would be law suits and death threats FROM THE CHRISTIANS !!!!

Yeah tell me again about how teaching religion is academic. Denial is NOT a river in Egypt.
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Old November 28th, 2013, 10:47 AM   #42
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ok, i will ask you too.

what do you think? not what do you think the founding fathers thought, what do YOU think, what is YOUR opinion?

do you think there should be a separation of powers between church and state?
First I will defer to the establishment clause, but only for definition: there was a distinct difference between "religion," "church," and "God" then and now.

The separation of powers regarding the states is a product of federalism, but the federal government has the establishment clause for the separation of religion and the federal government, not God.

My opinion is that neither the federal government nor the federal judiciary has any enumerated power to override a state law that falls outside the federal government's enumerated powers. In my opinion, Christianity should not be taught in public schools. Some examples that I believe are appropriate would be the Ten Commandments and other Biblical teachings that are not necessarily linked to a religion and are more universal than religion. The founders of this country gave these students a Constitution that prevented the federal government from infringing on their God given rights, and they should know where these rights came from and what price was paid to have these rights. God cannot be taken out of that equation regardless of a belief in God or not because that is what the founders believed and that is what the students rights are based upon.
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Idiot thread of the year. Let's see now. A president expressing his belief under the same freedom of expression we all have, now trumps the Bill of Rights, does it?

Well hell, maybe one day a president will say some nice things about Islam and we'll become and Islamic Republic.

Fucking brilliant.
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Old November 28th, 2013, 11:51 AM   #44
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AND BOTH HOUSES OF CONGRESS AGREED


If this is not what some liberals will say it is...then could today this sort of thing come from the White House?
Good point.

The real danger today is our secular elites who are too often anti-religious bigots.

Consider:

1) Abortion - The U.S. has some of the most extreme pro-abortion laws in the world - far more pro-abortion than many European countries for example.

When Is a Ban on Abortions ‘Extreme’?

And thousands of late term unborn babies are tortured to death every year: Like Gosnell, Abortion Doctors Fine With Killing Late-Term Babies

Torture is the right word.

Doctors on Fetal Pain

2) Pornography - Explicit pornography is widely available even to young children and the effect can be harmful.

The harms of pornography exposure among children and young people

3) Homosexuality - Secular regimes have opposed the homosexual lifestyle more than any Republican.

Quote about Castro's Cuba: LGBT persons were imprisoned frequently, particularly effeminate males, without charge or trial, and confined to forced labor camps.

LINK

Numerous societies, both religious and secular, have failed to celebrate the gay lifestyle. Why? Perhaps because homosexual coupling doesn't produce life, but all too often a painful death. Homosexuality is also associated with pedophilia.

We are not free to refrain from celebrating or normalizing the homosexual/transgender lifestyle.

New Mexico Court: Christian Photographer Cannot Refuse Gay-Marriage Ceremony

Gay marriage incompatible with religious freedom

Transgender child’s bathroom battle raises a legal case of sex identity

4) Education - The government-funded educational establishment discriminates against religious parents, students, teachers.

Compromising Scholarship: Religious and Political Bias in American Higher Education

GAY ORTHODOXY AND ACADEMIC HERESY

Defending Religious Liberty in America

Foundation for Individual Rights in Education
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gay this gay that

get a life
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Old November 28th, 2013, 03:41 PM   #46
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get a life
That's funny coming from you. You can't stop talking about gays. Take a look at your threads: http://defendingthetruth.com/search....&pp=25&page=12

You can't seem to stop yourself from sharing information about how you like to b******k other men. You're obsessed! lol

My threads are far less numerous and more diverse. I oppose all the pointless, endless occupations in the Mideast and the brutalities of the abortion industry.

Not sure why you homosexuals want to force everyone to celebrate a lifestyle that kills so many homosexual men.

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Old November 28th, 2013, 03:56 PM   #47
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Good point.

The real danger today is our secular elites who are too often anti-religious bigots.

Consider:

1) Abortion - The U.S. has some of the most extreme pro-abortion laws in the world - far more pro-abortion than many European countries for example.

When Is a Ban on Abortions ‘Extreme’?

And thousands of late term unborn babies are tortured to death every year: Like Gosnell, Abortion Doctors Fine With Killing Late-Term Babies

Torture is the right word.

Doctors on Fetal Pain

2) Pornography - Explicit pornography is widely available even to young children and the effect can be harmful.

The harms of pornography exposure among children and young people

3) Homosexuality - Secular regimes have opposed the homosexual lifestyle more than any Republican.

Quote about Castro's Cuba: LGBT persons were imprisoned frequently, particularly effeminate males, without charge or trial, and confined to forced labor camps.

LINK

Numerous societies, both religious and secular, have failed to celebrate the gay lifestyle. Why? Perhaps because homosexual coupling doesn't produce life, but all too often a painful death. Homosexuality is also associated with pedophilia.

We are not free to refrain from celebrating or normalizing the homosexual/transgender lifestyle.

New Mexico Court: Christian Photographer Cannot Refuse Gay-Marriage Ceremony

Gay marriage incompatible with religious freedom

Transgender child’s bathroom battle raises a legal case of sex identity

4) Education - The government-funded educational establishment discriminates against religious parents, students, teachers.

Compromising Scholarship: Religious and Political Bias in American Higher Education

GAY ORTHODOXY AND ACADEMIC HERESY

Defending Religious Liberty in America

Foundation for Individual Rights in Education
Not anti-religious bigotry. Merely opposing those who in violation of the 1st Amendment would have government be a vehicle for Christian mission efforts, or have Christian beliefs mandated in law on matters of marriage equality, women's privacy and control of their wombs and limits on medical research. That's not religious bigotry. It's a desire for freedom from religion, as Christians would want if other beliefs were forced upon them, and lament when Islamic regimes limit Christians.
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If government puts Preference of Athiesm over Christiantiy that is aiding the Athiest faith.

If Governmetn puts preference of Christianty over atheism, then government is aiding Christiantiy.

But if Government allows all faiths to be expressed with the same vigor, it is not aiding OR hendering none.


What if a teacher says a creation prayer, or a Wiccian Prayer, or states that they believe there is no such thing as a God, that is a teacher expressing their own beliefs

it is no different than a teacher expressing there opinion on the Jacksonian democracy..

What this does is allow school to be AN ACADEMIC establishment.

Because if you force any thought to not be taught, then you have ended all academia.
Which is the open expression and discussion of all ideas.

Now if a Teacher says a Muslim prayer cannot be spoken for example, but the Creationist prayer is, THEN you have the state aiding a faith over another.
your opening premise is wrong, atheism is not a faith.

the teacher is quite entitled to their own opinion and express whatever they like in their own time. but during their working hours they are required to keep their personal religious beliefs out of what they teach.

one can parallel religious beliefs with political beliefs. if you say it is ok for a christian teacher to express their religious beliefs to the classroom, is it also ok for a liberal teacher to express their liberal ideology to the classroom? most conservatives complain when this happens.

if a teacher leads a christian prayer, followed by a wiccan prayer followed by a muslim prayer followed by a jewish prayer followed by a hindi prayer followed by a buddhist prayer followed by a native american prayer followed by a shinto prayer followed by a thousand other prayers then you could say they were not favouring one religion over another. but if they just read the christian prayer and leave out all the rest it is definitively favouritism.
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Not anti-religious bigotry. Merely opposing those who in violation of the 1st Amendment would have government be a vehicle for Christian mission efforts,
Where is this happening? Provide examples.

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or have Christian beliefs mandated in law on matters of marriage equality,
This is not only a Christian position. Many cultures both secular and religious have preferred not to celebrate the dangerous homosexual lifestyle.

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and limits on medical research.
Not actually.

Embryos no longer needed for stem-cell research

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You can't seem to stop yourself from sharing information about how you like to b******k other men. You're obsessed! lol
I defy you to find one - ONE - such posting from me.

You're a goddamned liar. Typing "lol" after a childish, nasty, hateful lie doesn't make it any less nasty, hateful or childish.

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