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Old February 17th, 2017, 09:49 AM   #1
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Is the bromance starting to fade?

@IT in particular: have you and/or your wife noticed what this op-ed claims?

Russian media no longer dazzled by Trump

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For several months, the pro-Kremlin media had nothing but praise for Donald Trump.

During the US election campaign, Russian state TV bulletins and pro-government newspapers portrayed him as some kind of David taking on the Goliath of a "corrupt… Russia-hating" Washington elite. They welcomed his calls for warmer US-Russian relations. They played down some of his more outlandish comments.

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In January he even received more mentions in the Russian media than President Vladimir Putin.

But I detect a change in tone.

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On Friday, Russia's most popular tabloid, Komsomolskaya Pravda, accused President Trump of making "contradictory" statements about Nato.
The paper points out: "(During the election campaign) Trump had called the Alliance obsolete and useless. Less than two months have passed since he moved into the Oval Office and he's already expressed full support for Nato.

"As the saying goes, you need to be drunk to understand the true position of America's president."

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Reporting Thursday's meeting in Bonn between Russia's Foreign Minister Sergei Lavrov and the new US Secretary of State, Rex Tillerson, the paper emphasises "it was obvious how tense and, at the same time, confused Tillerson looked".
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And with President Trump under sustained pressure back home over alleged links to Russia, the business daily Vedomosti doubts he will have "flexibility… in talks with Russia.

"Every step he takes, particularly any concessions, will be examined under a microscope. It's even hard to believe now that there ever was a window of opportunity (to improve relations) that made it seem worth raising our glasses and toasting Trump's victory."

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In recent days there has been noticeably less Trump on Russian TV.

The resignation of the president's national security adviser Michael Flynn on Tuesday may have made headlines around the world. But it was not mentioned in Russian state TV's 45-minute evening news bulletin. That is extraordinary, considering that Russia was central to the story.

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Judging by the angry reaction of senior Russian politicians, Moscow was disappointed by Michael Flynn's departure. The Trump adviser had championed closer US-Russian ties.

Then came White House comments about Crimea, making clear that President Trump expects Russia to return the annexed peninsula to Ukraine.

To Russia it seemed a sudden 180-degree turn. During the election campaign Donald Trump had told ABC television: "The people of Crimea, from what I've heard, would rather be with Russia than where they were."
It then goes on to say that there isn't hostility to Trump in the Russian media, just that he is now being basically ignored there.

Full blog at Russian media no longer dazzled by Trump - BBC News
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So much for, Trump is in bed with the Russians.
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So much for, Trump is in bed with the Russians.
Maybe Putin just decided he needed a new flunky.
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So much for, Trump is in bed with the Russians.
roflmao

As a group, Americans are unsophisticated.

Nothing that happens in Russia isn't first approved by Putin.

Putin used Trump. He's not finished with his using Trump. Putin and his FSB co-henchmen clearly have decided it's time to put a little "space" between themselves and Trump.
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Old February 17th, 2017, 11:14 AM   #5
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US rigged 94 Russian(Yeltsin) Election and 99 Election For Putin!

During the past 8 years of the "nice liberal" president Barack Obama, US war spending surged (including longterm trillion dollar nukes upgrade), more small undeclared wars were created, the drone assassination program multiplied; but what is far worse, US foreign policy started applying military intimidation and dirty tricks against the two nuclear-armed nations that the New World Order oligarchy considers a threat to their system: Russia and China.

First, a little history is needed:
China was told, during the bloody aftermath of the Tiananmen Massacre early in George Bush One's Administration, that the US would look the other way and not use the CIA and other means to try to overthrow the Communist Party or even kick China out of the WTO trading zone, IF the Communist Party got on with morphing into a facilitator of capitalism and foreign investment. Everything was sailing along fairly nicely until China started growing in commercial power to pose a threat to the power of the global oligarchs...mostly based in the US. And that's when we started hearing of the "Pivot" to Asia.

For Russia, the US fixed two Russian elections during the 90's, including the one that gave us Putin! Because the US policymakers behind the scenes were afraid of the backlash from the failure of capitalism imposed in Russia, that turned what had previously been one of the most equal societies(with a ruling class only getting modest perks) into the most unequal nation...or at least rivaling Somalia, Nigeria and other nations with tiny pockets of great wealth/surrounded by extreme poverty and malnutrition.

So, there was fear of a backlash that would put the Communist Party back in power/ but the most pressing threat were the more popular Russian nationalists...verging on fascism, like Vladimir Zhirinovsky...the Donald Trump of the East. So, Putin was seen as the moderate option...that's likely part of the reason why Boris Yeltin handpicked him as successor when an interim government was needed to take over from the drunken idiot!

Over the years since, promises were made and quickly broken. On the American side, the Clinton Administration tore up the deal of disallowing NATO expansion to Russia's borders, and the CIA used their Saudi/Pakistani Taleban connections to start fomenting insurgencies in the Muslim-majority Russian Caucasus and Central Asia. Oil and gas was already being extracted from this region, and geologists had good reasons to believe there was lots more where that came from. The US also wanted no Russian interference with their oil company developments in former Soviet Republic-Azerbaijan. So, like every other conflict in the world, if you follow the money, at least 90% of the time you'll find the reasons for the war, and the buildup for more wars!

Needless to say, this is only a few bullet points from over 20 years of history, but if the world is at risk of nuclear holocaust today, most of the reason is because both of the 'respectable' sides of foreign policy debate by politicians and in US media, focus in laser-like on "US Interests"...including Bernie Sanders, Elizabeth Warren and other so called "progressives." They may be 'progressive' on a few domestic issues, but take a look at what they say when it comes to guns and bombs, and you can't find daylight between them and John McCain. Maybe that's why McCain and his gay friend Lindsey Graham have to shriek to hysterical levels to get attention in Washington! Quite stunning that even the so called "liberals" in government, media and dominating social media, never even think outside of American borders, that other nations have interests too, and concerns about threats to their security!

So, this all boils down to the "bromance" of Trump and Putin disseminated all across social media, is a internal conflict between rival deep state factions in Washington. One, represented by Trump, wants to attack China first/ the other represented by all the CIA fronts in Washington politics and media, wants war with Russia before going on to China. Both are insane choices and that would be obvious to most people if they weren't so easily distracted from the important issues by controlled media!

On this issue, it's far more likely that the right...especially FoxNews viewers have an inkliing of what the truth is, since they are the only platform that will provide a voice to the leftwing critics, such as Dennis Kucinich. Washington's Blog provides the handy bullet points of what was most important from his interview by Sean Hannity:

Leading Progressives Kucinich and Greenwald: Even Americans Who Hate Trump Should Defend Him Against Attempted Coup by the “Deep State” … A Coup Which Is Being Attempted “So That This Military Industrial Intel Axis Can Cash In”
Leading Progressives Kucinich and Greenwald: Even Americans Who Hate Trump Should Defend Him Against Attempted Coup by the "Deep State" ? A Coup Which Is Being Attempted "So That This Military Industrial Intel Axis Can Cash In"
What’s at the core of this is an effort by some in the intelligence community to upend any positive relationship between the U.S. and Russia. And I tell you there’s a marching band and Chowder Society out there. There’s gold in them there hills. There are people trying to separate the U.S. and Russia so that this military industrial intel axis can cash in.

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The American people have to know that there’s a game going on inside the intelligence community… at the bottom of all this is the fact that there are those that seek to separate US from Russia to reignite the cold war… that’s what’s at the bottom of all this …. Wake up America!!

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What’s going on in the intelligence community with this new president is unprecedented. They’re making every effort trying to upend him.

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It’s not just this administration. I want to remind the views and all those who are on the panel that in the closing months of the Obama administration, they put together a deal with Russia to create peace in Syria. A few days later, a military strike in Syria killed a hundred Syrian soldiers and that ended the agreement. What happened is inside the intelligence and the Pentagon there was a deliberate effort to sabotage an agreement the White House made.
So, now could one of you liberals tell me why Kucinich can't say the same thing on CNN or MSNBC?
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Old February 17th, 2017, 11:27 AM   #6
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roflmao

As a group, Americans are unsophisticated.

Nothing that happens in Russia isn't first approved by Putin.

Putin used Trump. He's not finished with his using Trump. Putin and his FSB co-henchmen clearly have decided it's time to put a little "space" between themselves and Trump.
I think what scares the shit out of the oligarchs over here is that no Russian oligarch..no matter how rich can dictate terms to Vladimir Putin. He made an example of the kleptocrat who picked up Yukos Oil during the monopoly game of post-Soviet Russia when he challenged Putin...and ended up handcuffed in a jumpsuit in court, and then taken off to Siberia to spend 10 full years in a Siberian prison! You think the Koch Bros, King Soros, Bill Gates or that mouthy little snot-Steve Zuckerberg have any similar concerns over here?

So, maybe it's the difference between fascism and what the late political scientist-Sheldon Wolin described the American system as:"Inverted Totalitarianism" or the rule by the rich.

If Americans out there are getting angry and restless enough to put their own Zhirinovsky in the White House, maybe the American system is going to flip also into one where the monied interests have to take the back seat to the guys with state power.
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@IT in particular: have you and/or your wife noticed what this op-ed claims?

Russian media no longer dazzled by Trump

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It then goes on to say that there isn't hostility to Trump in the Russian media, just that he is now being basically ignored there.

Full blog at Russian media no longer dazzled by Trump - BBC News
Trump suddenly has all but disappeared from all Russian state media, with the exception of this from Tass:
Anti-Russian campaign in US media may send wrong signal to Putin ó Trump
"I want to just tell you, the false reporting by the media, by you people, the false, horrible, fake reporting makes it much harder to make a deal with Russia," Trump said


The anti-Russian campaign, currently waged by the US media, may send a wrong signal to Russian President Vladimir Putin, US President Donald Trump told reporters at a news conference in the White House.

"Probably Putin assumes that heís not going to be able to make a deal with me because itís politically not popular for me to make a deal," he said, adding that he was unsure whether he would manage to reach an agreement with Russia.

He also lashed at the anti-Russian reports in the US media, saying that they may make the Russian authorities think that Washington is "back to the old games" and "thereís no way Trump can ever do a deal with us."

"I want to just tell you, the false reporting by the media, by you people, the false, horrible, fake reporting makes it much harder to make a deal with Russia," he went on.

"If I was just brutal on Russia right now, just brutal, people would say, you would say, "Oh, isnít that wonderful." But I know you well enough. Then you would say, "Oh, he was too tough; he shouldnít have done that," the US president said, adding that his political opponent Hillary Clinton has also tried to re-set ties with Russia, but failed.

"They all tried. But Iím different than those people," Trump said.
More: TASS: World - Anti-Russian campaign in US media may send wrong signal to Putin ? Trump

Making the deal.......
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I think what scares the shit out of the oligarchs over here is that no Russian oligarch..no matter how rich can dictate terms to Vladimir Putin. He made an example of the kleptocrat who picked up Yukos Oil during the monopoly game of post-Soviet Russia when he challenged Putin...and ended up handcuffed in a jumpsuit in court, and then taken off to Siberia to spend 10 full years in a Siberian prison! You think the Koch Bros, King Soros, Bill Gates or that mouthy little snot-Steve Zuckerberg have any similar concerns over here?

So, maybe it's the difference between fascism and what the late political scientist-Sheldon Wolin described the American system as:"Inverted Totalitarianism" or the rule by the rich.

If Americans out there are getting angry and restless enough to put their own Zhirinovsky in the White House, maybe the American system is going to flip also into one where the monied interests have to take the back seat to the guys with state power.
Perfect comparison, Trump to Zhirinovsky.
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Maybe Putin just decided he needed a new flunky.
Or, Obimbo...the flunky, was more to Putin's liking.
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roflmao

As a group, Americans are unsophisticated.

Nothing that happens in Russia isn't first approved by Putin.

Putin used Trump. He's not finished with his using Trump. Putin and his FSB co-henchmen clearly have decided it's time to put a little "space" between themselves and Trump.
Lets put this in perspective. Liberal Americans are unsophisticated. How did Putin use Trump? Or has Putin come to the conclusion that, unlike Obimbo, Trump isn't buying it?
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