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Old March 13th, 2017, 08:22 AM   #1
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Old March 13th, 2017, 08:38 AM   #2
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FTR, that is a blog, not indicative of all Canadians. The majority of Canadians, according to several polls do disagree with Trump on most things but not to the degree of vitriol displayed in that article.

The "father of the Canadian left" is just that, pretty well out on the left extreme and between the comment about Lewis and having said anything at all good about pierre Trudeau makes me think the blogger is a LWNJ.
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FTR, that is a blog, not indicative of all Canadians. The majority of Canadians, according to several polls do disagree with Trump on most things but not to the degree of vitriol displayed in that article.

The "father of the Canadian left" is just that, pretty well out on the left extreme and between the comment about Lewis and having said anything at all good about pierre Trudeau makes me think the blogger is a LWNJ.
Acronymn alert! "FTR", "LWNJ." I guess that all is supposed to mean something. I don't find Stephen Lewis's speech vitriolic by any sense of the meaning...maybe unrealistic, but not vitriolic!

His objections to Trump America:
-Trumpís prior attempt to ban immigrants from seven majority-Muslim countries and refugees has already affected Canada, with frightened people risking their lives to find a way across the border from the U.S.

- Womenís reproductive rights around the world are under siege under a "global gag rule" that cuts U.S. government funding for foreign organizations that even discuss abortion. Canada and other countries have stepped up to help fill the funding gap but that could redirect money from other international priorities.

-Stripping funding from the U.S. Environmental Protection Agency

-A proposed massive increase in military spending combined with a mentally unstable president have brought the Doomsday Clock (nuclear catastrophe) closer to midnight than at any time since the 1950s

-Cuts to foreign aid will likely cause dangerous setbacks in controlling tuberculosis and HIV, and in boosting childhood immunization rates.

-Hate crimes appear to be on the rise in the wake of Trumpís racist rhetoric.

-Lewis worries about who will protect lives in South Sudan or Myanmar or half a dozen other world hot spots if the U.S. cuts United Nations funding for peacekeeping and other programs.


I would wager most Canadians can agree with his concerns on Trump, the problem is many older Canadians still recall that...although Stephen Lewis can give a great speech, a younger Stephen...as leader of the Ontario NDP, combined with his father David-at the helm of the Federal Party in the early 70's, oversaw the 'moderation' and dilution of the NDP into what we have today: a political party no longer dedicated to workers rights and instead, trying to appeal for money and curry favour with business interests!

*for American readers, our three party system up here is more tamper-proof than the duopoly mess that exists in almost every American state now, but even with three major parties, the left in Canada never knows what they're buying if they vote NDP, because...since after the Lewis's, the NDP became a shape-shifting almost Liberal party that...in our most recent federal election, was favoured to win early on, but was outflanked on the left by Justin and the Libs, who were savvy enough to notice the disenchantment with Stephen Harper and Conservatives was more than just rearranging the deck chairs in Parliament! People wanted real change and Justin Trudeau/not Tom Mulcair, jumped up as the man to bring hope and change....it's our Obama presidency!

What is notable now, is that as Justin Trudeau finds favour in the US rightwing media like Drudge and Breitbart, Canadians are seeing through his amazing PR skills and questioning his oil and pipelines policies that are barely changed..if any from what Harper had planned! The oil execs are happy, but is Justin's attempts to be the only major foreign friend of Trump going to work? I doubt it!

That's the other thing that grinds me about that editorial - unless an important part wasn't quoted, it looks like Lewis is trying to condemn the new government's friendly relations with Trump Admin without criticizing the Prime Minister himself! Aside from the author asking in the first paragraph:
"What would a social scientist who had lived through the Second World War, resided on several continents and revered former prime minister Pierre Trudeau think the current prime minister should do now?


the fact that Justin is the exact opposite kind of leader his father..an irritable, combative nationalist was, and the only criticism is sort of 'what would your father do, Justin?' I'm back to thinking that left liberalism lacks the substance and courage to get to the point!
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Acronymn alert! "FTR", "LWNJ." I guess that all is supposed to mean something. I don't find Stephen Lewis's speech vitriolic by any sense of the meaning...maybe unrealistic, but not vitriolic!

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You don't like acronyms? You may need to modernize.

And I'm the one accused of being an old curmudgeon.

Interesting that the two things you attack Justin Trudeau on are two of the few things I agree with him on.

I didn't say Lewis was vitriolic, I said the blogger was.

And yes, I did say at the beginning that most Canadians don't like much of Trump's thrust, thus far. But this guy is way too out there for GR to characterize it as representing "Canadians".
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You don't like acronyms? You may need to modernize.

And I'm the one accused of being an old curmudgeon.

Interesting that the two things you attack Justin Trudeau on are two of the few things I agree with him on.

I didn't say Lewis was vitriolic, I said the blogger was.

And yes, I did say at the beginning that most Canadians don't like much of Trump's thrust, thus far. But this guy is way too out there for GR to characterize it as representing "Canadians".
I like to be thorough and I figured you, like most Canadians under 50(and the writer in the WFP..there's your acronymn), wasn't old enough to know about the transition from having left, center and right party to right and two liberal parties.

I have mentioned before that aside from being a much different and certainly a much more pleasant personality than his father was, Justin is hemmed in when it comes to criticizing any US policies since after NAFTA, Canada has become a de facto US colony that lags 10 to 20 years behind the US destruction of social programs and quality of life.

So, it's not like I'm coming at this with high expectations, but the reason why first nations are almost certainly going to bring back blockades up here this year is because he...like a typical Liberal, promised two opposing side-first nations and oil companies, that he would work for their disparate goals. Obviously he had to favour the oil companies, but his sellout is even larger than I expected, with the three pipeline approvals, chumming around with Trump and what barely gets noticed- Canada's increasing footprint in the weapons-for-sale market..even to the Saudis, has gone unnoticed.

I have a natural revulsion for people who say one thing while intending to do another, and that's why I am typically much harder on liberals than conservatives...who at least tell you most of where they intend to go on issues.
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I like to be thorough and I figured you, like most Canadians under 50(and the writer in the WFP..there's your acronymn), wasn't old enough to know about the transition from having left, center and right party to right and two liberal parties.

I have mentioned before that aside from being a much different and certainly a much more pleasant personality than his father was, Justin is hemmed in when it comes to criticizing any US policies since after NAFTA, Canada has become a de facto US colony that lags 10 to 20 years behind the US destruction of social programs and quality of life.

So, it's not like I'm coming at this with high expectations, but the reason why first nations are almost certainly going to bring back blockades up here this year is because he...like a typical Liberal, promised two opposing side-first nations and oil companies, that he would work for their disparate goals. Obviously he had to favour the oil companies, but his sellout is even larger than I expected, with the three pipeline approvals, chumming around with Trump and what barely gets noticed- Canada's increasing footprint in the weapons-for-sale market..even to the Saudis, has gone unnoticed.

I have a natural revulsion for people who say one thing while intending to do another, and that's why I am typically much harder on liberals than conservatives...who at least tell you most of where they intend to go on issues.
First, I am well over 50 - way too far, although it still beats the alternative.

I'm quite cynical about the First Nations stance on all these things here. And I don't think Trudeau sold them out.

And I am strongly in favor of the pipelines given our level of regulation, inspection and the teeth in our environmental liability laws.
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Yeah, feck waaat canada tinks. speakin' for meself an' most likely many av us in de flyover states. we really cud care less aboyt waaat canada tinks.
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I like to be thorough and I figured you, like most Canadians under 50(and the writer in the WFP..there's your acronymn), wasn't old enough to know about the transition from having left, center and right party to right and two liberal parties.

I have mentioned before that aside from being a much different and certainly a much more pleasant personality than his father was, Justin is hemmed in when it comes to criticizing any US policies since after NAFTA, Canada has become a de facto US colony that lags 10 to 20 years behind the US destruction of social programs and quality of life.

So, it's not like I'm coming at this with high expectations, but the reason why first nations are almost certainly going to bring back blockades up here this year is because he...like a typical Liberal, promised two opposing side-first nations and oil companies, that he would work for their disparate goals. Obviously he had to favour the oil companies, but his sellout is even larger than I expected, with the three pipeline approvals, chumming around with Trump and what barely gets noticed- Canada's increasing footprint in the weapons-for-sale market..even to the Saudis, has gone unnoticed.

I have a natural revulsion for people who say one thing while intending to do another, and that's why I am typically much harder on liberals than conservatives...who at least tell you most of where they intend to go on issues.
I don't think "chumming around with trump" would be accurate, I think Justin is being diplomatic and tolerant of trump. I was happy to see that Justin didn't allow trump to pull that fake show of dominance with the hand shake.

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I don't think "chumming around with trump" would be accurate, I think Justin is being diplomatic and tolerant of trump. I was happy to see that Justin didn't allow trump to pull that fake show of dominance with the hand shake.
I know he's good at symbolism, and that seems to be 90% of politics these days...even since the TV Age began. And, I'll concede that he's taken the helm of our country in the New World Order, where secret societies of bankers and invited acolytes have more control than elected officials; but I wish he was the leader promised by the campaign rhetoric! When it comes to issues like Dirty Oil (tar sands slurry), he's picked up the ball and is still running with it in the same direction as Harper.

There were a lot of aboriginals up here who registered to vote(majority in first nations don't participate in federal elections&those who do mostly voted NDP in the past)..and in most ridings, voted Liberal to stop HarperCons, and because of the Liberal move to the left/as well as disenchantment with the NDP's waffling on tar sands and pipeline issues. Most of those votes were gained by the Libs on promises of full funding for schools, ensuring safe water supplies, recognizing treaty rights with various band councils, and most of all, the right of veto over pipelines proposed to run through recognized treaty territories. It's that last one where an obvious scam took place...since there was no way to honour the treaties/and be friends with the oil and oil development companies!
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First, I am well over 50 - way too far, although it still beats the alternative.

I'm quite cynical about the First Nations stance on all these things here. And I don't think Trudeau sold them out.

And I am strongly in favor of the pipelines given our level of regulation, inspection and the teeth in our environmental liability laws.
Trudeau made promises to first nations that he couldn't/or didn't intend to keep! That counts as a sellout in my books.

There is no way to keep digging down to get dirtier, more energy-intensive and environmentally destructive sources of petroleum and have a future for the human race here on Earth! I'm glad big oil is bailing now on tar sands...and It pisses me off that Justin is trying to save this shit for economic reasons rather than follow through on his flowery rhetoric about transition to renewable energy sources. Many things global "civilization" does today have to end NOW or there will be no future for those coming after the middle of this century at the latest..that's what's at stake here.

Factory farming and other carbon-intensive practices have to end as well, but most of the oil still in the ground now has to remain there...especially now that it's dirtier and harder to remove and develop.... sources of carbon locked away and sequestered by natural planetary processes removing as much carbon as possible from the atmosphere for millions of years now, has been released en mass by an ignorant and arrogant civilization not giving much thought to what happens to Planet Earth in the future as CO2 levels rise again over 400ppm and higher for the first time in millions of years. The age of carbon fuels has allowed frivolous wastes of energy, overpopulation, destruction of most of the world's natural habitats..and it all has to end, or there is no future...assuming we haven't already charted and set the course for adding our species to the growing list already on the Sixth Extinction.
Leave fossil fuels buried to prevent climate change, study urges

New research is first to identify which reserves must not be burned to keep global temperature rise under 2C, including over 90% of US and Australian coal and almost all Canadian tar sands

https://www.theguardian.com/environm...nge-study-says

That's what we're talking about here! Justin has his comparatively petty concerns over his poll numbers and winning the next election, and all of the hangers-on who are supporting these developments similarly are willing to send our world to extinction in exchange for more money now...that's what it all boils down to when the talking is done, what are you willing to sacrifice to save the future for those who come after us. And most people are clueless about what's at stake or even worse: deliberately living in denial so that they can find there way out of this world before the shit hits the fan! But, it will hit someday and not of our choosing!
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