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Old March 19th, 2017, 08:54 AM   #91
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I think we just hit on something that will solve several problems, if we pass a law that raises the age of consent to forty or have to pass a literacy test to vote or have sex, we will eliminate over population, most poverty and less right wingers in the future which will result better government.. Sounds like a good law to me, let's get to work on that. 😎
Now you are walking into a socialism I can get behind.
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Old March 19th, 2017, 09:00 AM   #92
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Whether state or federal there must be an age of consent. Most of us consider 18 year olds adults. Sure there are kids younger than 18 that have the maturity and intelligence to make informed decisions. AND there are 40 year olds who don't have the brains God gave a gnat. But there must be a legal age--defined and outline by our justice system. That's the tipping point.
I agree. But again, there are sometimes extenuating circumstances for which judges should be allowed leeway in sentencing.

The fear of course is that that can become an avenue for graft or the good-old-boy network to circumvent a fair outcome. One of the reasons I am against the concept of electing judges.
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Old March 19th, 2017, 09:01 AM   #93
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I think we just hit on something that will solve several problems, if we pass a law that raises the age of consent to forty or have to pass a literacy test to vote or have sex, we will eliminate over population, most poverty and less right wingers in the future which will result better government.. Sounds like a good law to me, let's get to work on that. 😎
My guess is that a law banning sex would be even more violated than a law banning guns.
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Old March 19th, 2017, 09:14 AM   #94
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Now you are walking into a socialism I can get behind.
so you're a backdoor man?
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Old March 19th, 2017, 09:31 AM   #95
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We already do silly. They are called statutory rape laws. Sometimes they are over prosecuted but there still exists a difference not only in society but in the eyes of the law.
Good point.

I correct my previous post.......This guy could fall into either or both category one or two.

(For all we know, he might very well fall into category three as well. )
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Old March 19th, 2017, 12:30 PM   #96
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Good point. One of the criticisms I have of the US court system as compared to the Canadian or UK systems is the much harder guidelines on sentencing. I got interested in a UK case of statutory rape where a 19 year old was arrested for the statutory rape of a 12 year old.

He pleaded guilty.

The judge found him guilty but gave him an absolute discharge since the girl admitted she had in fact initiated the relationship, had purposefully dressed and made herself up to look older and just wanted a one-off with the guy.

And I agree with this.
Wait a fucking minute here! You agree with a judge giving some asshole a suspended sentence for sex with a 12 year old? No Excuses! If a 12 year old girl wants to have sex with a man...of any age, that man has an obligation to say NO!
When I was 14, I had a 12 year old girl who was trying to hang around with older girls and kids at a local skating rink, want to date me and even offered me a bj. I told her no, and she shouldn't be doing that. I was 14 at the time and I still had enough fucking sense not to get anything on with a 12 year old!

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Screwing a 17 year old hooker shouldn't be made legal, but there has to be some degree of intent at least possible. In the UK case above, there was no intent whatsoever.
Even an 18 year old prostitute is not putting herself out there cause she likes sex or giving bj's! It's about the money, and she has no other means to earn the money..and more than likely, she's out there cause there's some guy behind her, a pimp or even a boyfriend...or even a combination of the two, who's offering protection/or claims to be, in exchange for a share of her money....and of course, more often than not, both of them are spending most of that money cause their addicted to drugs.

It's a dirty, despicable business that cannot exist without the fundamental power imbalance between men and women in our supposedly 'advanced' modern society. Prostitution does not get made respectable as it moves upscale to the hotels and escort services where men-with-money buy sex without taking the risks of cruising through dangerous neighbourhoods. It's still a system of exploitation, and even if it has to be decriminalized now to make monitoring and addressing needs available, that should not be placed in the same category of decriminalizing marijuana...which may be on a path towards legalization etc..
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Well considering that the case we are discussing there are no females involved I am not sure why you would bring up female exploitation.

I don't think this is the time/place to drift into the morality of prostitution but I will state that I do not believe that it should be illegal.
If it's about the exploitation of 13 year old boys (as in Milo and other homo's cases) that's just the male equivalent, and if you ever talk to someone who's been sodomized or even groomed for sex with an older man (like your neighbourhood priest) it's the same damn thing!

Many guys end up being fucked up for life after being groomed and exploited by older men...just like what happens when a girl supposedly consents to sex at 12 years of age!
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Most of the Grand Old Party has the morals of their King. They're called Alley Cat morals. Watch for our DTT posters to jump in. Insults in 3.....2....1.
Unfortunately I don't find many here actually "Defending The Truth." It's more defending my side that has a D or an R after the name. So, the Democrat loyalists here will be fine with a post that shits all over Agent Orange, but draw swords if it's about sexual exploitation practices of their heroes...like Billy and his wife/enabler.
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If it's about the exploitation of 13 year old boys (as in Milo and other homo's cases) that's just the male equivalent, and if you ever talk to someone who's been sodomized or even groomed for sex with an older man (like your neighbourhood priest) it's the same damn thing!

Many guys end up being fucked up for life after being groomed and exploited by older men...just like what happens when a girl supposedly consents to sex at 12 years of age!

Wait, what? You just grabbed a bunch of random hotbutton stuff from the middle of nowhere and are attempting to introduce it into this argument, why? To try and sway it to an emotional POV that supports your narrative.

Try and stay on topic.

A man was busted w/ a 17yo male prostitute. The age of consent in Oklahoma is 16.

All of the mumbo jumbo about 12 and 13 yo os just sensationalism.

Again you bring up milo, last time you brought this up you ran away when you couldn't back up your allegations. Now you just toss it in again, why? Emotion.

Silly.
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Old March 19th, 2017, 12:58 PM   #100
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Wait a fucking minute here!<snip>
But I'm addressing the whole post.

The judge, a female judge by the way, did the right thing in this instance IMO. You disagree. Fine. Do you also disagree with Canada's "Romeo and Juliet" law?

As to prostitution, I look at it a lot like drugs. If you take away the fact that it's illegal, most of the problem goes away with that.

I don't think I have the right to impose my morals on anyone else. So I have no right to say it's intrinsically wrong.

Get rid of the pimps and you get rid of the slave labor nature of prostitution, to a large extent.
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