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Old March 19th, 2017, 03:11 PM   #101
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Unfortunately I don't find many here actually "Defending The Truth." It's more defending my side that has a D or an R after the name. So, the Democrat loyalists here will be fine with a post that shits all over Agent Orange, but draw swords if it's about sexual exploitation practices of their heroes...like Billy and his wife/enabler.

Well, you nailed it when you say there aren't many on DTT that actually defend the truth, but love to defend their own personal truth.
The only reason a Democrat (like me) would draw swords about the sexual exploits of Bill Clinton is the hypocrisy of it all and the fact that women/wives are not enablers of cheaters, unless you're willing to admit that other first ladies and millions of other women were enablers and I don't think you can prove that.
I don't like generalizations. I don't like guilt by association. I don't like the ridiculous accusation that intelligent, educated women who love their husbands encourage self-destructive behavior and addictions.
Think about that.
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Old March 19th, 2017, 04:24 PM   #102
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Unfortunately I don't find many here actually "Defending The Truth." It's more defending my side that has a D or an R after the name. So, the Democrat loyalists here will be fine with a post that shits all over Agent Orange, but draw swords if it's about sexual exploitation practices of their heroes...like Billy and his wife/enabler.
I agree with a lot of your opinions but this one is way off. When has any non righty shit over a thread about Agent Orange? When has any non righty condoned the extra marital actions of Bill Clinton?
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Old March 19th, 2017, 08:57 PM   #103
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But I'm addressing the whole post.

The judge, a female judge by the way, did the right thing in this instance IMO. You disagree. Fine. Do you also disagree with Canada's "Romeo and Juliet" law?
Whether it was a female judge or not, I can't agree with the discharge cause I don't accept that a 12 year old girl can give consent under any circumstances. If she was acting out, and trying to seduce him, that tells me that she is almost certainly a subject of sexual abuse.

When I had my experience at 14, I wasn't thinking this deeply...just about how embarrassed I was that two of my friends overheard a grade 7 girl wanting to date me! But, it was likely the same thing going on back then. So, I don't accept a 14 year old 'Romeo' going after a 12 year old 'Juliet.' So, that law may make sense for older teens, but not those just coming of age.

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As to prostitution, I look at it a lot like drugs. If you take away the fact that it's illegal, most of the problem goes away with that.

I don't think I have the right to impose my morals on anyone else. So I have no right to say it's intrinsically wrong.

Get rid of the pimps and you get rid of the slave labor nature of prostitution, to a large extent.
If it comes down to a straight utilitarian calculus that finds legalization or decriminalization leads to harm reduction, I'll be willing to go with that; BUT the jury is still out on whether legal prostitution is a net benefit. The places...like in Holland where it's been tried for several years, have found that legalizing hasn't ended pimping and sexual slavery of young foreign women with no documentation or ability to speak Dutch, being stuck in brothels and massage parlours with no easy way out. In Portugal, legalizing drugs and treating addiction as a health/not criminal problem has produced overall benefits.

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Well, you nailed it when you say there aren't many on DTT that actually defend the truth, but love to defend their own personal truth.
The only reason a Democrat (like me) would draw swords about the sexual exploits of Bill Clinton is the hypocrisy of it all and the fact that women/wives are not enablers of cheaters, unless you're willing to admit that other first ladies and millions of other women were enablers and I don't think you can prove that.
I don't like generalizations. I don't like guilt by association. I don't like the ridiculous accusation that intelligent, educated women who love their husbands encourage self-destructive behavior and addictions.
Think about that.
Well, even though I agree that the GOP was flying the flag of hypocrisy when they zeroed in on Billy's womenizing, Clinton was showing a long pattern of being a sexual predator...mostly preying on young female employees ever since he became governor of Arkansas. And Hillary was right there posing beside him every time some woman came forward, denying their claims and sending attack dog ugly bastard James Carville out to attack the women on CNN and their other friendly media...calling them bimbo's and the cases "bimbo eruptions." And, according to prior statements of many of the complainants, like Kathleen Willey and Gennifer Flowers, Hillary was the one threatening them afterwards/not Bill, if they came forward and made statements against him during his first run for the White House. That sort of encapsulates how hollow her kind of feminism is when applied in the real world.

What's sauce for the goose, is sauce for the gander! If Democrats refuse to apply the same standards to their party and their leaders as they demand for Republicans, it doesn't go anywhere!

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I agree with a lot of your opinions but this one is way off. When has any non righty shit over a thread about Agent Orange? When has any non righty condoned the extra marital actions of Bill Clinton?
If Bill was just having affairs, that would be a personal matter, BUT he was preying on unpaid interns and young female employees, that makes him a sexual predator in my book.

I recall a couple of months back that even on this board, there was a big furor about what seems likely now to have been a completely fabricated story: Trump having Russian prostitutes pissing on him.

Whatever the issues though, the same standards have to be applied to your team as the opposing team. If you let guys on your side pal around with Jeffrey Epstein and the like, or take fistfulls of cash from Wall Street and weapons makers to go easy on banking regulation or let military and security agencies blow a hole in the budget, you end up with ..............the Democratic Party of today!
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If it comes down to a straight utilitarian calculus that finds legalization or decriminalization leads to harm reduction, I'll be willing to go with that; BUT the jury is still out on whether legal prostitution is a net benefit. The places...like in Holland where it's been tried for several years, have found that legalizing hasn't ended pimping and sexual slavery of young foreign women with no documentation or ability to speak Dutch, being stuck in brothels and massage parlours with no easy way out. In Portugal, legalizing drugs and treating addiction as a health/not criminal problem has produced overall benefits.

Why Amsterdam's Prostitution Laws are Still Failing to Protect or Empower Women
I will accept that you can't get rid of criminals that easily. But this is will lead to a reduction in the extent of criminal activity, and I'm guessing that if a clean, inspected facility is available, it would have a greater appeal to johns than low life streetwalkers or whatever. It seems to me that if facilities were licensed the criminal element would be reduced to running streetwalkers or providing for "unusual" services. It's like gun control. It will not eliminate the problem but can help.

I'm basing my vision of what legalized prostitution might bring based on discussions with a friend whose wife worked as a counsellor to hookers trying to quit.
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I will accept that you can't get rid of criminals that easily. But this is will lead to a reduction in the extent of criminal activity, and I'm guessing that if a clean, inspected facility is available, it would have a greater appeal to johns than low life streetwalkers or whatever. It seems to me that if facilities were licensed the criminal element would be reduced to running streetwalkers or providing for "unusual" services. It's like gun control. It will not eliminate the problem but can help.

I'm basing my vision of what legalized prostitution might bring based on discussions with a friend whose wife worked as a counsellor to hookers trying to quit.
It is proven in places where prostitution is legal. Once the emotion is removed from the argument it is the logical solution, if you want to call it that.

The weed laws are a perfect analogy. In Colorado the the state makes money from weed in NY it costs the state money. Would a person prefer to get their weed from a thug Behind a 7-11 or from Walmart. The same goes for blow jobs.
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Well, even though I agree that the GOP was flying the flag of hypocrisy when they zeroed in on Billy's womenizing, Clinton was showing a long pattern of being a sexual predator...mostly preying on young female employees ever since he became governor of Arkansas. And Hillary was right there posing beside him every time some woman came forward, denying their claims and sending attack dog ugly bastard James Carville out to attack the women on CNN and their other friendly media...calling them bimbo's and the cases "bimbo eruptions." And, according to prior statements of many of the complainants, like Kathleen Willey and Gennifer Flowers, Hillary was the one threatening them afterwards/not Bill, if they came forward and made statements against him during his first run for the White House. That sort of encapsulates how hollow her kind of feminism is when applied in the real world.

What's sauce for the goose, is sauce for the gander! If Democrats refuse to apply the same standards to their party and their leaders as they demand for Republicans, it doesn't go anywhere!

Sorry, but no. In my opinion, marriages are strange things. They all run on different fuel and rules. Some women choose to support and stay with adulterers, abusers, violence, alcoholism, drugs and even child molesters---for all sorts of reasons. They are victims, not enablers. Call it denial. Call it love. Call it convenience or financial security or insecurity. Call it insanity. Call it a business arrangement. The Clintons are no exception, even if they are wealthy, educated, powerful people. Blaming Hillary for Bill's addiction is ridiculous.
I have no idea why Hillary denied his dasterdly deeds, although the obvious answer is (like most wives/lovers) because she didn't want to believe it. What would the public have her do? Shame him in public? Accuse him in public? Throw him to the lions?
For whatever reason, she chose to stay, and I find that remarkable. Say what you will about Hillary Clinton--love her or hate her---her life showcases a woman whose private life has been shredded for all the world to see. She (like other first ladies) has been publicly humiliated and disgraced time and time again and has survived. I admire that. I'll be interested to see how Melania Trump weathers the coming storm.
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The right has a lot of class but it's all low class, just like their moral standards. The right are exactly who they condemn the most and who they fear the most, they are just too stupid to see it.
Said the baby killing supporters!
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Said the baby killing supporters!
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