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Old March 20th, 2017, 10:46 AM   #141
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since the US didn't exist in 1673 it's meaningless.
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Poor jimmy, he apparantly does not know when the United States was founded.
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Old March 20th, 2017, 10:52 AM   #142
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Nothing like a mess of out of context quotes and fake quote from atheist websites regarding American history to manifest raw ignorance.
OUT OF CONTEXT!

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Old March 20th, 2017, 11:33 AM   #143
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OUT OF CONTEXT!

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I wonder what James Madison's letter to William Bradford on April 1, 1774, was about when the out of context quote is put into context. And what happened two years later in Virginia regarding the context of the letter you have no clue about?
Our Assembly is to meet the first of May When It is expected something will be done in behalf of the Dissenters: Petitions I hear are already forming among the Persecuted Baptists and I fancy it is in the thoughts of the Presbyterians also to intercede for greater liberty in matters of Religion. For my part I can not help being very doubtful of their succeeding in the Attempt.
Perhaps after you run from this you will address my other post you ran from.
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Old March 20th, 2017, 11:37 AM   #144
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What level of ignorance does it take to not have a clue why certain clauses in the Constitution were to prevent the abuses by England on the colonies from happening again.
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Old March 20th, 2017, 11:56 AM   #145
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What level of ignorance does it take to not have a clue why certain clauses in the Constitution were to prevent the abuses by England on the colonies from happening again.
None, that is the exact purpose of the Constitution. This includes making the Constitution a secular document to avoid the abuses of church-state intermingling.
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Old March 20th, 2017, 12:16 PM   #146
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No, you've mistaken what jimmyb was saying here. The first paragraph is from Oliver Ellsworth. It is from December 1787.

Jimmyb is saying that Ellsworth was speaking against a law established in 1673.

That law is in the 2nd Paragraph.

Of course jimmyb is using the Ellsworth statement to try and imply that the religious clause was put into the Constitution to prevent one sect of Protestant Christianity from establishing itself over that of another which is pure BS. Ellsworth opposed ANY religious test, period. Even a simple declaration of a belief in a god.
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Old March 20th, 2017, 01:33 PM   #147
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What level of ignorance does it take to not have a clue why certain clauses in the Constitution were to prevent the abuses by England on the colonies from happening again.
MORE irrelevant blah-blah-blah-blah from jimmy.


Guess what faux historian? There was fucking TONS of debate, discussion, arguments, compromise, etc. etc. concerning EXACTLY what would be in the FINAL version of the Constituion.
Guess what? The ONLY thing that counts is what ENDED up in that FINAL draft that was voted on and ratified by the states.

Hell, the primary purpose of the Constituion was to replace the fucking Articles Of Confederation so we could actually have a COUNTRY and NOT a collection of 13 squabbling states.
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None, that is the exact purpose of the Constitution. This includes making the Constitution a secular document to avoid the abuses of church-state intermingling.
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What level of ignorance does it take to not have a clue why certain clauses in the Constitution were to prevent the abuses by England on the colonies from happening again.
Do you want to respond to this rather than avoid it?

Why don't you produce one single sentence out of the hundreds of thousands of statements by the founders that even closely eluded to the Constitution was created as a secular document and to avoid any church-state intermingling?

You will not for two reasons: it does not exist and you fabricate history to support your worldview.
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No, you've mistaken what jimmyb was saying here. The first paragraph is from Oliver Ellsworth. It is from December 1787.

Jimmyb is saying that Ellsworth was speaking against a law established in 1673.

That law is in the 2nd Paragraph.

Of course jimmyb is using the Ellsworth statement to try and imply that the religious clause was put into the Constitution to prevent one sect of Protestant Christianity from establishing itself over that of another which is pure BS. Ellsworth opposed ANY religious test, period. Even a simple declaration of a belief in a god.
Now you are lying about Ellsworth and the purpose of the no religious tests clause. Not only are you fabricating history, you have no clue that another reason for the no religious tests was explained by Madison in one of the out of context letters written by Madison that your comrade in arms of fabricated American history posted.
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