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Old March 20th, 2017, 03:22 PM   #151
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No, you've mistaken what jimmyb was saying here. The first paragraph is from Oliver Ellsworth. It is from December 1787.

Jimmyb is saying that Ellsworth was speaking against a law established in 1673.

That law is in the 2nd Paragraph.

Of course jimmyb is using the Ellsworth statement to try and imply that the religious clause was put into the Constitution to prevent one sect of Protestant Christianity from establishing itself over that of another which is pure BS. Ellsworth opposed ANY religious test, period. Even a simple declaration of a belief in a god.
What I was attempting to find out was , why was that a concern of the FF'S 117 years later?
We're religious tests still part of English law?
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Why would a liberal atheist, devoid of an iota of historical knowledge, argue that the no religious tests clause had no connection to the Test Acts, and not have the faintest idea about the existence of the Sacramental Test Act 1828.
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Do you want to respond to this rather than avoid it?

Why don't you produce one single sentence out of the hundreds of thousands of statements by the founders that even closely eluded to the Constitution was created as a secular document and to avoid any church-state intermingling?

You will not for two reasons: it does not exist and you fabricate history to support your worldview.
No need to. A document that makes NO MENTION of organization religion other than we will "make NO law respecting an established religion..." is by it's nature secular. *shrug*
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What level of ignorance does it take to not have a clue why certain clauses in the Constitution were to prevent the abuses by England on the colonies from happening again.
"CERTAIN clauses in the Constituion were to prevent abuses by England..."
*shrug*
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Old March 20th, 2017, 03:51 PM   #155
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Why would a liberal atheist, devoid of an iota of historical knowledge, argue that the no religious tests clause had no connection to the Test Acts, and not have the faintest idea about the existence of the Sacramental Test Act 1828.
You've shown no connection.

The US had been separate and independent for 52 years in 1828.
The Establishment Clause seems to have worked.
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The reason liberals have no clue of the connection is because they have zero knowledge of history and have never read a single statement by any Founders regarding the connection between the Test Acts and the no religious tests.

They also have no clue regarding the establishment clause.
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I first grader could repeat this statement without screwing it up: "What level of ignorance does it take to not have a clue why certain clauses in the Constitution were to prevent the abuses by England on the colonies from happening again."
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The reason liberals have no clue of the connection is because they have zero knowledge of history and have never read a single statement by any Founders regarding the connection between the Test Acts and the no religious tests.

They also have no clue regarding the establishment clause.
Self important, self-serving Blah-Blah-Blah.....
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Do you want to respond to this rather than avoid it?

Why don't you produce one single sentence out of the hundreds of thousands of statements by the founders that even closely eluded to the Constitution was created as a secular document and to avoid any church-state intermingling?

You will not for two reasons: it does not exist and you fabricate history to support your worldview.
I have. Numerous times.

Just because you bleat "out of context" doesn't change them.
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I have. Numerous times.

Just because you bleat "out of context" doesn't change them.
You never have and never will. Here you go again since you are running and embarrassing yourself again.

Why don't you produce one single sentence out of the hundreds of thousands of statements by the founders that even closely eluded to the Constitution was created as a secular document and to avoid any church-state intermingling?

You will not for two reasons: it does not exist and you fabricate history to support your worldview.
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