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Old April 14th, 2017, 12:12 AM   #61
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Unless you want to go back to before fire, there is no time in human history that is "before carbon fuels".
Put it this way: when we were just burning wood, peat and making charcoal, rock weathering and other natural processes of carbon sequestration were able to maintain the carbon balance in the atmosphere. It wasn't until the textile mills in England started switching from water power to steam --from coal-fired boilers, that CO2 levels started climbing above 280...and they've never looked back since!
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Tell that to Volcanoes
The last time we had large scale volcanic activity was 55 million years ago....and that's not happening right now, and hasn't been a factor for the past million years. The occasional volcano going off doesn't tip the balance. BUT, when the balance is tipped, that's when we have the mass extinctions.

Isn't it enough that natural planetary forces can occasionally wreak havoc and cause mass die-offs? How stupid to people have to be to do it deliberately?
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The last time we had large scale volcanic activity was 55 million years ago....and that's not happening right now, and hasn't been a factor for the past million years. The occasional volcano going off doesn't tip the balance. BUT, when the balance is tipped, that's when we have the mass extinctions.

Isn't it enough that natural planetary forces can occasionally wreak havoc and cause mass die-offs? How stupid to people have to be to do it deliberately?
There is a very good docu series called "Earth from Above" that everyone should watch especially the dumb ass climate deniers. Below is a link for the first episode.
https://youtu.be/CCcUoSYOnsM
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There is a very good docu series called "Earth from Above" that everyone should watch especially the dumb ass climate deniers. Below is a link for the first episode.
https://youtu.be/CCcUoSYOnsM
Thanks! It puts into perspective how modern civilization and overpopulation is causing extinctions because of destroying the natural environment that we also depend on...but seem likely to not want to do enough to prevent humans from joining the extinction list in the future.

It reminds me of a particularly jarring documentary "Koyanisqaatsi" made in the early 80's, which had no narration/just a Philip Glass soundtrack...just showing mostly aerial footage of the scale, waste, and ugliness of civilization:
Koyaanisqatsi -- from Hopi translated as "Life Out of Balance"
Koyaanisqatsi part 3/9
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OMW9QUngWdU
Koyaanisqatsi part 4/9
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KApGIJnyh3o
Koyaanisqatsi part 5/9
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mUEOipHmBjY

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