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Old June 25th, 2017, 04:55 AM   #11
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What a worthless piece of journalistic nonsense!
I have a short attention span. Thank God for Caca, who proves it will be worth reading some day.
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I agree with everything you said except for the commonly used term "populist" applied to Trump. To be a populist, you must care about the little guy. Trump has spent his whole career screwing the little guy. Ted Cruz has only said one thing that I agree with. During the Republican primaries, Cruz said that this country has never seen the likes of this kind of narcissist. I agree with that. Trump only cares about Trump and that disqualifies him from being considered a populist.

This disasterous Republican healthcare legislation is a case in point. Trump might have campaigned against cutting Medicaid but he won't hesitate to sign a bill that does that very thing in spades. He cares more about attaining a legislative victory for himself than he cares about the little guy.
Agreed. Trump is a populist in name only, a PINO.
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Old June 25th, 2017, 09:39 AM   #13
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What a worthless piece of journalistic nonsense!
You mean - crap? Well expect the Democratic Party tantrum to continue on for the foreseeable future, as they scream and vent that voters are too dumb to see through GOP and Trump plans, and continue to refuse demands for reform from within. They'd rather continue taking (and burning through stacks of corporate donations), instead of considering any policies that will motivate average working people to go back to the Democratic Party! When Democrats are quoting Bruce Supply-Side Bartlett for ideas, that pretty much means they got none of their own!

At first when I saw the thread title, I thought the 'party abandoning ideas' was about the Democrats! Because, that's why they're losing/they got nothing to offer except:
a. we're not Trump.
b. the Russians are coming, and
c. our health insurance plan won't blow up as fast as the Republican plan will, and will cover a few more (BUT NOT ALL) people.
And then they wonder why people aren't inspired to run out to the polls after a $24million campaign to vote for a centrist Democrat! If the Dems keep giving voters a choice between two Republican parties each election, they can continue to expect to keep losing to real Republicans again and again.

A strategy of Look At Trump and population demographics will soon break in our favour will mean they continue losing even if Trump drops his pants at the next press conference!
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You mean - crap? Well expect the Democratic Party tantrum to continue on for the foreseeable future, as they scream and vent that voters are too dumb to see through GOP and Trump plans, and continue to refuse demands for reform from within. They'd rather continue taking (and burning through stacks of corporate donations), instead of considering any policies that will motivate average working people to go back to the Democratic Party! When Democrats are quoting Bruce Supply-Side Bartlett for ideas, that pretty much means they got none of their own!

At first when I saw the thread title, I thought the 'party abandoning ideas' was about the Democrats! Because, that's why they're losing/they got nothing to offer except:
a. we're not Trump.
b. the Russians are coming, and
c. our health insurance plan won't blow up as fast as the Republican plan will, and will cover a few more (BUT NOT ALL) people.
And then they wonder why people aren't inspired to run out to the polls after a $24million campaign to vote for a centrist Democrat! If the Dems keep giving voters a choice between two Republican parties each election, they can continue to expect to keep losing to real Republicans again and again.

A strategy of Look At Trump and population demographics will soon break in our favour will mean they continue losing even if Trump drops his pants at the next press conference!
The Democrat party is in serious trouble, all the signs of it are in place. Bernie Sanders wife is looking at possible charges. Remember the third house?
Jane Sanders Lawyers Up - POLITICO Magazine

The Democrat party has no sense of direction and this baffles me. If you establish a solid foundation then you do not need a sense of direction. The only reason you need this sense of direction is because you are lost and do not know where to turn. The Democrat party, the day it unhinged its self from its foundation of the working men and women, became lost. Until it comes back on its knees groveling, then it will remain so in my opinionl
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The Democrat party is in serious trouble, all the signs of it are in place. Bernie Sanders wife is looking at possible charges. Remember the third house?
Jane Sanders Lawyers Up - POLITICO Magazine

The Democrat party has no sense of direction and this baffles me. If you establish a solid foundation then you do not need a sense of direction. The only reason you need this sense of direction is because you are lost and do not know where to turn. The Democrat party, the day it unhinged its self from its foundation of the working men and women, became lost. Until it comes back on its knees groveling, then it will remain so in my opinionl
I don't know much about this Sanders saga. If I go out on a limb and assume all the allegations are true, it would mean that Sanders himself decided that his long life in public service should entitle him and his family to a few of the perks that everyone else has been gorging on...usually through their entire political careers!

When it comes to ideas though, Sanders was the only one last year with actual ideas running for the Democratic nomination. And that's why the beltway establishment stopped laughing and went into panic mode after an old, obscure Senator from Vermont started closing the gap on Hillary and delaying the coronation long enough that they had to start cheating in the primaries! The last thing they wanted was to have to eek out a win against a 75 year old fringe politician through the unelected(and usually unmentioned) "Super"delegates.

And that's why they started throwing tantrums about the release of information about insider corruption leaked to the media through Wikileaks. Everyone's been blamed, from Sanders to "deplorables" to Comey to the Russians..and they decided to settle on the Russians likely because that sets them in good position with military/security apparatus.

The only big surprise to me at the end of the Sanders Campaign was that he just folded his tent without complaint...didn't bother challenging the Party's VP nomination (which his delegates wanted to do), or go on the offensive about the insider corruption that delegates and many primary voters were aware of...instead he just got up on stage and campaigned for Hillary. So, to me, that meant he was also ultimately a politician at heart (though with three big, popular campaign issues) and not the incorruptible leader that his supporters were trying to build him into!

There's not that that many alternatives mentioned by the left within the Democratic Party considered worthy of support other than Tulsi Gabbard or even Nina Turner, who was one of Bernie's strongest campaigners/but wasn't on the national stage herself, but merely a Ohio state senator.

So, I don't find it surprising at all that "independents" keep growing in size each time polling is done of voter identification. Many people on the right and left are looking for ways to break up the two party logjam that runs government, while the only ones who are perfectly happy with the system are these nice, civil-acting moderate left and rightists that populate media like POLITICO etc. and earn so much money that they're primary concerns are not upsetting the system/so they don't want reform of any kind from either direction!
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Maybe US Citizen needs conservative leader this Kasich ?!
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Clinton or Kasich all Americans needs and just are good tensions.....
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The Democrat party is in serious trouble, all the signs of it are in place. Bernie Sanders wife is looking at possible charges. Remember the third house?
Jane Sanders Lawyers Up - POLITICO Magazine

The Democrat party has no sense of direction and this baffles me. If you establish a solid foundation then you do not need a sense of direction. The only reason you need this sense of direction is because you are lost and do not know where to turn. The Democrat party, the day it unhinged its self from its foundation of the working men and women, became lost. Until it comes back on its knees groveling, then it will remain so in my opinionl


Honestly--between you and R to L--what a bunch a twaddle. The Democrats LOST an election. For the love of Mike. People act/talk like it's the first time in the history of the world! The Democratic Party isn't dead or dying or on life support. IT LOST. An election. AND here's a news flash: America has another election in 4 years---and another 4 years after that, etc. etc. etc.

Half the pop didn't vote, folks. Trump got about 1/4 of the people in this nation to vote for him. 25-26%. Do you get that?? That's the GOP squeaking by--NOT the Dems dying.

Donald Trump did not win the election so much as Hillary Clinton lost it. In 2012, President Obama won with almost 66 million votes; Clinton’s total was just over 62 million. Does that sound like a party ready to call 911??

If the voters show up (which they didn't) voting records are stable. White voters supported the Republican candidate in the past four presidential elections (2004-2016). Similarly, here’s the share of African American voters who backed the Democratic candidate: 88, 95, 93, 88.

Now pay attention, boys. Try to recall Barry Goldwater’s crushing defeat in 1964. After Watergate, Republicans seemed doomed but then came a rally--Ronald Reagan’s two successful terms, followed by the election of George H.W. Bush in 1988. THE GOP on top.
In each case, something (Vietnam, double-digit inflation, recession) altered the calculus and confirmed the long-standing roots of U.S. politics: When Americans are unhappy, they throw out the party in the White House.

THAT's what happened. Now move on and stop spinning this strudel in your noodle. Political parties don't DIE that easily.
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Honestly--between you and R to L--what a bunch a twaddle. The Democrats LOST an election. For the love of Mike. People act/talk like it's the first time in the history of the world! The Democratic Party isn't dead or dying or on life support. IT LOST. An election. AND here's a news flash: America has another election in 4 years---and another 4 years after that, etc. etc. etc.

Half the pop didn't vote, folks. Trump got about 1/4 of the people in this nation to vote for him. 25-26%. Do you get that?? That's the GOP squeaking by--NOT the Dems dying.

Donald Trump did not win the election so much as Hillary Clinton lost it. In 2012, President Obama won with almost 66 million votes; Clinton’s total was just over 62 million. Does that sound like a party ready to call 911??

If the voters show up (which they didn't) voting records are stable. White voters supported the Republican candidate in the past four presidential elections (2004-2016). Similarly, here’s the share of African American voters who backed the Democratic candidate: 88, 95, 93, 88.

Now pay attention, boys. Try to recall Barry Goldwater’s crushing defeat in 1964. After Watergate, Republicans seemed doomed but then came a rally--Ronald Reagan’s two successful terms, followed by the election of George H.W. Bush in 1988. THE GOP on top.
In each case, something (Vietnam, double-digit inflation, recession) altered the calculus and confirmed the long-standing roots of U.S. politics: When Americans are unhappy, they throw out the party in the White House.

THAT's what happened. Now move on and stop spinning this strudel in your noodle. Political parties don't DIE that easily.


Sounds like somebody has been following Clintons tour of excuses very closely.
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