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Old July 27th, 2017, 07:49 AM   #11
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All you have to do is show everyone the constitutional basis for the three. You will not and we all know why. Now go back to reading your atheist and left wing websites.
LOL..he does not HAVE to do any such thing. You're delusional dude.
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All you have to do is show everyone the constitutional basis for what you listed. You will not and we all know why.
Nasty stutter you have there Jimmyb.
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First of all that would be "you're" not "your"

Secondly let's take a look at the current situation

Gay marriage - legal in all 50 states
Abortion - legal in all 50 states
Incorporation Doctrine in regards to the XIVth Amendment - recognized by the courts

So what is it I'm not able to do? Convince the courts to do what they are already doing?

I don't get it, please explain.
Regarding the incorporation doctrine, so again, here is your chance to back up your argument that the Fourteenth Amendment has all of the following in its plain language or in the intent by the 39th Congress:

Where in the Fourteenth Amendment is the First, Second, Third, Fourth, Fifth, Sixth, Seventh, and Eighth Amendment located?

Where is the word "incorporate" located in the Fourteenth Amendment?

Where is the phrase "Bill of Rights" located in the Fourteenth Amendment?

Where is the phrase "substantive due process" located in the Fourteenth Amendment?

What is a comity clause?

Why did no one know the Bill of Rights were incorporated until the twentieth century?

Why did the Congress for the entire decade of the 1870s attempt and fail to pass a sixteenth amendment to incorporate the First Amendment if the Bill of Rights were incorporated by the Fourteenth Amendment?
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Regarding the incorporation doctrine, so again, here is your chance to back up your argument that the Fourteenth Amendment has all of the following in its plain language or in the intent by the 39th Congress:

Where in the Fourteenth Amendment is the First, Second, Third, Fourth, Fifth, Sixth, Seventh, and Eighth Amendment located?

Where is the word "incorporate" located in the Fourteenth Amendment?

Where is the phrase "Bill of Rights" located in the Fourteenth Amendment?

Where is the phrase "substantive due process" located in the Fourteenth Amendment?

What is a comity clause?

Why did no one know the Bill of Rights were incorporated until the twentieth century?

Why did the Congress for the entire decade of the 1870s attempt and fail to pass a sixteenth amendment to incorporate the First Amendment if the Bill of Rights were incorporated by the Fourteenth Amendment?
How have the courts ruled since the introduction of the XIVth Amendment?

What is the current legal precedent regarding the XIVth Amendment?
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The most insidious aspect of McConnell’s strategy is that he is shooting to pass something, anything, that would continue to save Republicans from having a transparent give-and-take on measures that could ultimately strip health insurance from 20 million Americans or more. Passing even the most meager of health bills this week would move the covert coverage-demolition effort to a conference committee with the House.

AND there it is. The "something/anything" just for Trump. The GOP truly doesn't care what it is or how many Americans are destroyed. This is so pathetic, particularly because not that long ago the Party of NO said NO to any kind of healthcare.

The word "precondition" never left their lips. The idea of keeping college students under their parents' plan was never discussed. The expansion of Medicaid--NOPE. Vouchers--are you kidding me? The outlandish notion that although every other civilized nation in the world offers healthcare to all, the U.S. couldn't possibly do it.....and now??
Mitchy is running around like a Chicken Little trying to get SOMETHING--ANYTHING passed.
This is why I keep repeating: THE GOP can't govern. The GOP has absolutely NO VISION. Their priority is to keep saying NO and CAN'T and IMPOSSIBLE and UNTHINKABLE....until now??


AND BTW, the hypocrisy is astonishing. The GOP supported Romney. What did Romney do in Massachusetts?? The GOP introduced a bill in 1993--Republican Sen. John Chafee of Rhode Island was the point man. The bill he introduced, Health Equity and Access Reform Today, (yes, that spells HEART) had a list of 20 co-sponsors that was a who’s who of Republican leadership. There was Minority Leader Bob Dole, R- Kan., Sens. Orrin Hatch, R-Utah, Charles Grassley, R-Iowa, Richard Lugar, R-Ind., and many others. A bill not that far afield from ACA.

But God forbid Barack Obama introduce ACA and actually achieve something the GOP STILL can't conceive or reinvent--after seven years.
AND you know what?? I think the reason they weren't prepared after SEVEN LONG years is that they never dreamed that Trump would win the White House. According to Pennsylvania Sen. Pat Toomey, the reason is simple: The GOP didn’t expect it would win the White House in 2016, and so Republicans didn’t bother coming up with any real alternatives.

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Another excellent article about the direction Trump is taking our nation. As always, I don't expect it to make a blip on the brain cells of the Trump adoring worshipers. But, for the rest of us - the ones who haven't yet been hypnotized by the New Speak of the 21st century - it's quite articulate and well thought out.


The news is being reported on split screen as if the one big story in Washington is disconnected from the other. But President Trump’s lawless threats against Attorney General Jeff Sessions have a lot in common with the Senate’s reckless approach to the health coverage of tens of millions of Americans.

On both ends of Pennsylvania Avenue, we are witnessing a collapse of the norms of governing, constant violations of our legitimate expectations of political leaders, and the mutation of the normal conflicts of democracy into a form of warfare that demands the opposition’s unconditional surrender.

Trump’s latest perverse miracle is that he has progressives — along with everyone else who cares about the rule of law — rooting for Sessions. The attorney general is as wrong as ever on voter suppression, civil rights enforcement and immigration. But Sessions did one very important thing: He obeyed the law.

When it was clear that he would have obvious conflicts of interest in the investigation of Russian meddling in our election and its possible links to the Trump campaign, Sessions recused himself, as he was required to do.

Trump’s attacks on Sessions for that recusal are thus a naked admission that he wants the nation’s top lawyer to act illegally if that’s what it takes to protect the president and his family. Equally inappropriate are Trump’s diktats from the Oval Office calling on Sessions to investigate Hillary Clinton and those terrible “leakers” who are more properly seen as whistleblowers against Trump’s abuses.

Our country is now as close to crossing the line from democracy to autocracy as it has been in our lifetimes. Trump’s ignorant, self-involved contempt for his duty under Article II, Section 3 of the Constitution to “take care that the laws be faithfully executed” ought to inspire patriots of every ideological disposition to a robust and fearless defiance.

But where are the leaders of the Republican Party in the face of the dangers Trump poses? They’re trying to sneak through a health-care bill by violating every reasonable standard citizens should impose on public servants dealing with legislation that affects more than one-sixth of our economy. Senate Majority Leader Mitch McConnell and House Speaker Paul D. Ryan have little time for worrying about the Constitution because they are busy doing Trump’s bidding on health care.

Let it be said that two Republican senators will forever deserve our gratitude for insisting that a complicated health-care law should be approached the way Obamacare — yes, Obamacare — was enacted: through lengthy hearings, robust debate and real input from the opposition party. In voting upfront to try to stop the process, Sens. Susan Collins and Lisa Murkowski demonstrated a moral and political toughness that eluded other GOP colleagues who had expressed doubts about this charade but fell into line behind their leaders.

The most insidious aspect of McConnell’s strategy is that he is shooting to pass something, anything, that would continue to save Republicans from having a transparent give-and-take on measures that could ultimately strip health insurance from 20 million Americans or more. Passing even the most meager of health bills this week would move the covert coverage-demolition effort to a conference committee with the House.

The Senate’s unseemly marathon thus seems likely to end with a push for a “skinny repeal” bill that would eliminate the Affordable Care Act’s individual and employer mandates and its medical device tax. But no one should be deluded: A vote for skinny repeal is a vote for an emaciated democracy.

A wholesale defeat of what might be described as the Trump-McConnell-Ryan Unhealthy America Act of 2017 is essential for those being served by the ACA but also for our politics. It was disappointing that Sen. John McCain’s passionate plea on Tuesday for a “return to regular order” did not match his votes in this week’s early roll calls.

But McCain could yet advance the vision of the Senate he outlined in his floor speech and rebuke “the bombastic loudmouths” he condemned by casting a “no” vote at the crucial moment. Here’s hoping this war hero will ultimately choose to strike a blow against everything he said is wrong with Congress.

And when it comes to the ongoing indifference to the law in the White House, Republicans can no longer dodge their responsibility to speak out against what Trump is doing. They should also examine their own behavior. The decline of our small-r republican institutions can be stopped only if the party brandishing that adjective starts living up to the obligations its name honors.

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When I read things like this I am reminded why I voted for king trump. Thanks tris. I have archived this. I will pull it out whenever I feel a bit disenfranchised.


Here in the Midwest there is a market for liberal tears in case you guys are ever in need to subsidize your incomes. Eventually we will run out of them to shower in and once you get used to such luxury it is hard to go back to simple tap water.
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Silly Dumbfuckistanians.
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Old July 27th, 2017, 09:19 AM   #19
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All you have to do is show everyone the constitutional basis for the three. You will not and we all know why. Now go back to reading your atheist and left wing websites.
Jimmy, why do the real experts consistently rule against the way you think they should? Maybe it's you that doesn't know dick shit about the constitution.
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Another excellent article about the direction Trump is taking our nation. As always, I don't expect it to make a blip on the brain cells of the Trump adoring worshipers. But, for the rest of us - the ones who haven't yet been hypnotized by the New Speak of the 21st century - it's quite articulate and well thought out.

'https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/the-norms-of-governing-are-collapsing-before-our-eyes/2017/07/26/ae32e112-7239-11e7-9eac-d56bd5568db8_story.html?utm_term=.3bfa2b486f26&wpi src=nl_opinions&wpmm=1
It's not an article, it is an opinion piece.
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