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Old August 20th, 2017, 11:36 PM   #1
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How have liberals gained so much power since WWII?

Even the "good guys" in WWII (like Churchill) were extremely racist. This was the world order back then as it had been for a long time.

How has this changed so much since then to the point where if a politician even says anything hinting at racism, his/her career will be over. And American and European governments are so scared to be racist that they are letting massive amounts of third world immigrants into their countries, and even giving them free government assistance.

European nationalism took over the world from 1492-1945. Why did it become such a bad thing? Was it the USA and Soviet Union trying to dismantle the European empires?

But back to the point? Who is responsible for all the liberalism that has gained power in the governments of the USA (and Europe). Is it wealthy lobbyists like George Soros? Why are they so anti-white and pro-anything else? Why are they anti-hetero and pro-homo? Why are they honestly concerned with promoting rights for people who want to get sex change surgery despite the fact that it is physically impossible to change your chromosomes and your gender? Who is behind this? When did it start and why is it happening? And why are so many people brainwashed into thinking that this is "progress" and that the white man is evil?

I can understand not wanting to be like Hitler. But don't you think we're going a little too far in the opposite direction?

I'm not a white nationalist. I don't support neo-Nazi's or the KKK or anything like that. I just want to know what's going on?

Is it the feminists? And how did they get so much power? Are people lobbying for them in Congress? Who? Corporations? And why?

What is the true agenda behind these people that are pushing this crap and who is doing it?

And do these liberal "progressives" really control the media and Hollywood? Why are all the late night talk shows so anti-Trump? Who is behind all of this? That they dissect and butcher everything he says and misquote every word to make him sound like he's evil and a fool?

And why do these people want so many immigrants to come into the USA? Why are they concerned with allowing Muslims into the country? Why do they care and what is their true agenda?

Are they trying to destroy white hegemony? Who exactly is doing this?
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Old August 21st, 2017, 12:05 AM   #2
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A fundamental flaw of democracy, or to be able to vote for leaders in office is what I call the "Santa Claus effect" where the politician offers to give something to the people for the exchange of their vote. Since there are many more underclass than wealthy people, this has been a winner for decades, vote for me and I will give you something.

When you give people everything, the people are dependent on the State and the politicians who run the State, who are elected from a monopolistic two party system, neither of which will change the status quo. One also has to remember who really runs the country and the World and how they want to create divisions with the different classes and races of people, so they will not be united to work against a corrupt system.

The American government is like that 1000 pound person who lays in their bed 24 hours a day because they do not have the strength to get up, even to use the toilet. In comes people who are forced to clean their waste, and worse, to constantly feed this behometh, while all the while said behometh is designing new food to make him even more fat (bacon fried donuts in syrup marinating in coca-cola). Since the behometh has to eat more and more and more, the people feeding him has to work more to secure more and more resources even if this means invading other people's homes and taking them over. America is in how many nations? How many Americans have to work to feed the monster? Who is behind this and why?
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Old August 21st, 2017, 02:10 AM   #3
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Who is behind this and why?
That's exactly what I was asking you!

Who is behind this liberal agenda and why? What exactly are they trying to do?

Why do they want to see the United States destroyed? Why are they anti-white, pro-everything else, pro-feminist, pro-homosexual, pro-transgender, pro-abortion, etc.

Who is behind all this? And how did they get control of much of the media?
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Old August 21st, 2017, 02:29 AM   #4
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It's the nature of human beings.
There may be localized technical advances that allow some people to dominate other people for what seems a long time (hundreds of years), but people are people.
You can go to an airport in Papua, New Guinea, you'll see people in suits lined up to go through security, people who are businessmen, scientists, technicians, just like any airport in the world, and most of those people, including the pilots, had grandparents that lived in the stone age.
Catching up is easy, so no group has more than a fleeting advantage, humans are more alike than they are different.
Over the last several thousand years, if you were to pick a random year, the most likely scenario would be that China would be the most powerful country, with the biggest most advanced economy.
Now for a few hundred years that hasn't been the case, but that's over or will be soon.
America was an idea that worked while it had a continent to exploit, but it's advantages are not as important anymore.
Racism is a delusion, that there is some intrinsic reason that the current state of affairs is the right and proper state of affairs, that the race that finds itself at the top of the heap at that moment is somehow racially superior, and that is the natural order of the world. But it's an illusion, and when it doesn't last, those who thought the order was permanent call the process "degenerate", when it's just natural.
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There are a myriad of things responsible for liberal America and it may go further back than FDR, but became much more visible in about 2000 when Dubya was elected. Here are some possibilities:
*The changing demographics of the U.S.
*The movement away from organized religion
* A more educated society
*A more traveled society
*Advances in Technology
* Civil/human rights movements
*Single parent families
*Women's rise to power
*Vietnam War
*Nixon/Clinton presidencies
*Labor Unions
*Environmentalists
*Protest politics


I could go on, but I think this gives us lots of possibilities to discuss.
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Old August 21st, 2017, 06:36 AM   #6
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There are a myriad of things responsible for liberal America and it may go further back than FDR, but became much more visible in about 2000 when Dubya was elected. Here are some possibilities:
*The changing demographics of the U.S.
*The movement away from organized religion
* A more educated society
*A more traveled society
*Advances in Technology
* Civil/human rights movements
*Single parent families
*Women's rise to power
*Vietnam War
*Nixon/Clinton presidencies
*Labor Unions
*Environmentalists
*Protest politics


I could go on, but I think this gives us lots of possibilities to discuss.
Okay let's first define what "liberalism" means. I've heard two definitions.

The first one has a definition similar to socialism and is related to the FDR New Deal and all that. That's not what I'm talking about.

The definition I'm talking about is more similar to the Civil Rights movements. Especially anything to do with making sure non-white people have the same rights as whites and that women have the same rights as men.

The thing that I have a problem with is that in searching for these "civil rights" which they obtained decades ago, now they seem to be actively attacking their former oppressors. It seems like there is someone high up somewhere who has a deep grudge against the white race and white males especially. And even against males in general. It's like it did a complete 180 where the people who used to have power are now made to suffer and are actively being exterminated and like society is being brainwashed to hate them. Who could be responsible for this?

For example, it's perfectly fine for a black politician to openly say she is trying to improve the conditions of black people. But a white politician could never say that.

But even if it's not that deep..... what is the answer to this question?

Why is much of the media so biased against Donald Trump? Let's pick a simple example of Stephen Colbert. He is on CBS, which is owned by National Amusements, Inc., which is owned by Sumner and Shari Redstone.

Does this mean that Sumner and Shari Redstone hate Donald Trump? Sumner Redstone is a multi-billionaire who regularly donated to the Democratic Party.

Are there left-wing lobbyists that are influencing the media and advertising?
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Old August 21st, 2017, 06:44 AM   #7
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It's the nature of human beings.
There may be localized technical advances that allow some people to dominate other people for what seems a long time (hundreds of years), but people are people.
You can go to an airport in Papua, New Guinea, you'll see people in suits lined up to go through security, people who are businessmen, scientists, technicians, just like any airport in the world, and most of those people, including the pilots, had grandparents that lived in the stone age.
Catching up is easy, so no group has more than a fleeting advantage, humans are more alike than they are different.
Over the last several thousand years, if you were to pick a random year, the most likely scenario would be that China would be the most powerful country, with the biggest most advanced economy.
Now for a few hundred years that hasn't been the case, but that's over or will be soon.
America was an idea that worked while it had a continent to exploit, but it's advantages are not as important anymore.
Racism is a delusion, that there is some intrinsic reason that the current state of affairs is the right and proper state of affairs, that the race that finds itself at the top of the heap at that moment is somehow racially superior, and that is the natural order of the world. But it's an illusion, and when it doesn't last, those who thought the order was permanent call the process "degenerate", when it's just natural.
Now how long would it have taken the people of Papua New Guinea to invent an airplane if it wasn't given to them by Europeans? Millions of year? Never?

China never had the kind of technological advantage that Europe did. China's claim to fame is gunpowder, a compass, printing, and paper. None of this allowed them to dominate the world. They were defeated by Arabs in 710 at the height of Tang power. The Chinese gunpowder weapons that the Song Dynasty had were not even advanced enough to fend off the Mongols who had no gunpowder.

Europe's advantage started with their improvement of gunpowder weapons and ships. They were easily able to conquer the Western Hemisphere and dominate Indian Ocean trade. Then, with the inventions of Industrial Revolution, things just became ridiculous and there's no way anyone could stop them. The only reason the rest of the world caught up is because Europe gave their technology away. China may have invented gunpowder, but we invented machine guns, aircraft, tanks, etc.

So it's not as if some other "race" was finally able to catch up with the Europeans. What happened was that Europe changed after WWII. I am trying to find out what was the specific process that led to them now being ashamed to even be proud of anything they've ever done. And to be letting floods of immigrants into their country and destroying their whole demographic.

How did we get from white nationalism to white self-hatred in 80 years?
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Okay let's first define what "liberalism" means. I've heard two definitions.

The first one has a definition similar to socialism and is related to the FDR New Deal and all that. That's not what I'm talking about.

The definition I'm talking about is more similar to the Civil Rights movements. Especially anything to do with making sure non-white people have the same rights as whites and that women have the same rights as men.

The thing that I have a problem with is that in searching for these "civil rights" which they obtained decades ago, now they seem to be actively attacking their former oppressors. It seems like there is someone high up somewhere who has a deep grudge against the white race and white males especially. And even against males in general. It's like it did a complete 180 where the people who used to have power are now made to suffer and are actively being exterminated and like society is being brainwashed to hate them. Who could be responsible for this?

For example, it's perfectly fine for a black politician to openly say she is trying to improve the conditions of black people. But a white politician could never say that.

But even if it's not that deep..... what is the answer to this question?

Why is much of the media so biased against Donald Trump? Let's pick a simple example of Stephen Colbert. He is on CBS, which is owned by National Amusements, Inc., which is owned by Sumner and Shari Redstone.

Does this mean that Sumner and Shari Redstone hate Donald Trump? Sumner Redstone is a multi-billionaire who regularly donated to the Democratic Party.

Are there left-wing lobbyists that are influencing the media and advertising?



Maybe I am misinterpreting your questions but it seems to me you are looking for a one-size-fits-all answer. The many many answers are listed above. Stating that the civil rights issue was solved decades ago just because laws were passed to prevent it is laughable. Laws don't change 200 years of attitudes. White privilege still exists. We see it every day. White males rule--have always ruled. The weathy rule--have always ruled. Wealthy white men have controlled the world--governments--education--employment--opportunity---the environment--budgets--military........for centuries.

As far as Trump and the media is concerned?? Well, for one thing, Trump wants to control the media. He wants the media to adore & admire him. Trump wants the media to back off so he has declared war on the press. Most of the press (at least the respectable, award-winning press) will have NONE of it...and good for them. If media moguls like Sumner and Shari Redstone want their privately owned business to STOP Trump then they have every right to do so.
If Rupert Murdoch wants Fox to support Trump--then so be it. So to answer your question: Are there left-wing lobbyists that are influencing the media and advertising? THE answer is a resounding YES. Just like the right-wing lobbyists are influencing their media moguls. Owners and sponsors have the power to do just that.
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Even the "good guys" in WWII (like Churchill) were extremely racist. This was the world order back then as it had been for a long time.

How has this changed so much since then to the point where if a politician even says anything hinting at racism, his/her career will be over. And American and European governments are so scared to be racist that they are letting massive amounts of third world immigrants into their countries, and even giving them free government assistance.

European nationalism took over the world from 1492-1945. Why did it become such a bad thing? Was it the USA and Soviet Union trying to dismantle the European empires?

But back to the point? Who is responsible for all the liberalism that has gained power in the governments of the USA (and Europe). Is it wealthy lobbyists like George Soros? Why are they so anti-white and pro-anything else? Why are they anti-hetero and pro-homo? Why are they honestly concerned with promoting rights for people who want to get sex change surgery despite the fact that it is physically impossible to change your chromosomes and your gender? Who is behind this? When did it start and why is it happening? And why are so many people brainwashed into thinking that this is "progress" and that the white man is evil?

I can understand not wanting to be like Hitler. But don't you think we're going a little too far in the opposite direction?

I'm not a white nationalist. I don't support neo-Nazi's or the KKK or anything like that. I just want to know what's going on?

Is it the feminists? And how did they get so much power? Are people lobbying for them in Congress? Who? Corporations? And why?

What is the true agenda behind these people that are pushing this crap and who is doing it?

And do these liberal "progressives" really control the media and Hollywood? Why are all the late night talk shows so anti-Trump? Who is behind all of this? That they dissect and butcher everything he says and misquote every word to make him sound like he's evil and a fool?

And why do these people want so many immigrants to come into the USA? Why are they concerned with allowing Muslims into the country? Why do they care and what is their true agenda?

Are they trying to destroy white hegemony? Who exactly is doing this?
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