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Old August 23rd, 2017, 09:38 AM   #11
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How did public opinion on racism change so drastically between 1945-1970?

People had seen what racism produced in Hitler's camps, and met civilized people abroad. It was also difficult for some hick to make a serious case for his being superior to the likes of Paul Robeson - they needed McCarthyism to make him into an unperson.
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Old August 23rd, 2017, 09:47 AM   #12
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This is related to the last question I posted, but I thought I would rephrase it so I could get closer to the issue.

Prior to World War II, Europe and the United States were obviously very racist places. The worst of which being Nazi Germany.

By 1965, both the USA and UK had passed legislation making it illegal to discriminate based on race.

But it didn't happen immediately. There were still signs that said "Whites Only" in the USA and "No Blacks, No Irish" in the UK after World War II.

Counterculture (hippie) movements sprang up in the early 1960's, even in Germany who had just been Nazi 20 years prior.

How could Germany possibly have gone from Nazi to hippie in 20 years?

There must have been some outside forces at play that were forcing this to happen and forcing public opinion to change.
Very simple solution, don't go anywhere in the South that has whites only or blacks only. A sign that said black and white in North Carolina in the fifties still had separate dining areas and separate bathrooms. The black bathrooms were cleaner than the white bathrooms so I chose to use the black bathroom even though I am white and white people sneered at me and said don't use that bathroom but black people paid no attention to my arrogance.
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Old August 23rd, 2017, 11:20 AM   #13
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>digitalization

Microprocessors weren't comercially available until the early 70s, and even then they weren't widespread until a bit later.

As for television, well that's sort of a deference of the question. Its more important to ask what was being shown on television and by whom.
George Wallace was seen.

Southern racists in their full glory were seen.

The Vietnam War was covered nightly.

Mohammed Ali gave up a world heavyweight champion title to protest the VN War and racism in general.

Essentially, for a while our system of "rights endowed by their Creator" works, though for a frighteningly short time.

I'll leave to you to identify those who showing the people what was and had been going on.
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George Wallace was seen.

Southern racists in their full glory were seen.

The Vietnam War was covered nightly.

Mohammed Ali gave up a world heavyweight champion title to protest the VN War and racism in general.

Essentially, for a while our system of "rights endowed by their Creator" works, though for a frighteningly short time.

I'll leave to you to identify those who showing the people what was and had been going on.
Dogs being sicked on blacks by southern police. A burned out church with dead black children inside. Images like those on a television screen changed everything. America could no longer ignore it.
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Dogs being sicked on blacks by southern police. A burned out church with dead black children inside. Images like those on a television screen changed everything. America could no longer ignore it.
Exactly. After that footage was aired, a large number of people who really hadn't given too much thought to the Civil Rights movement became outraged. Outraged enough to get involved. From a psychological standpoint, if you want to get people moving, give them something to get angry about.

That, deliberate or not, is what Trump is doing.

Perhaps his ego is twisted enough that thousands of people objecting to him satisfies his need for attention. If so, he'll keep it up.

But.....being one of those people who can think outside of the box.....given the utter stupidity of his recent remarks from a political standpoint, I can't help but wonder if he is actually trying to damage the Republican party.
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Exactly. After that footage was aired, a large number of people who really hadn't given too much thought to the Civil Rights movement became outraged. Outraged enough to get involved. From a psychological standpoint, if you want to get people moving, give them something to get angry about.

That, deliberate or not, is what Trump is doing.

Perhaps his ego is twisted enough that thousands of people objecting to him satisfies his need for attention. If so, he'll keep it up.

But.....being one of those people who can think outside of the box.....given the utter stupidity of his recent remarks from a political standpoint, I can't help but wonder if he is actually trying to damage the Republican party.
I disagree with a bit of your thinking here. I think what tRump wants, above all else is fame and glory. He wants to be liked. Haven't you noticed how he talks so tough about other world leaders but when he goes face to face, he's all sweetness and light?

And that's why he won't do press addresses. They criticize him and he hates that. He organizes campaign rallies where he knows mostly his fans will show up and cheer him no matter what stupid things he says. It is this fame and adulation he wants above all.

The destruction of the GOP isn't on his radar. It's a by-product.
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I disagree with a bit of your thinking here. I think what tRump wants, above all else is fame and glory. He wants to be liked. Haven't you noticed how he talks so tough about other world leaders but when he goes face to face, he's all sweetness and light?

And that's why he won't do press addresses. They criticize him and he hates that. He organizes campaign rallies where he knows mostly his fans will show up and cheer him no matter what stupid things he says. It is this fame and adulation he wants above all.

The destruction of the GOP isn't on his radar. It's a by-product.

You're more than likely correct. Still......it would make a great plot for a novel.
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He wants to be liked. Haven't you noticed how he talks so tough about other world leaders but when he goes face to face, he's all sweetness and light?

I've thought about this for a few minutes, and I have to disagree. I don't think that he's all 'sweetness and light' because he want's to be liked by other world leaders.

Standing in front of a crowd of dumbass's who will cheer anything he says is one thing, but in front of other world leaders, he's out of his league and he knows it.

I think he has to keep it all 'sweetness and light' because they aren't going to cheer lies and ignorance.
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You're more than likely correct. Still......it would make a great plot for a novel.


I'll bet LOTS and LOTS of novels will be written about this juncture in history and about the rise and fall of Trump.

But IF you and I were to write a novel .... what should we call it?

Suggestions please. I'll start: Mein Drumpf
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I'll bet LOTS and LOTS of novels will be written about this juncture in history and about the rise and fall of Trump.

But IF you and I were to write a novel .... what should we call it?

Suggestions please. I'll start: Mein Drumpf
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