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Old September 8th, 2017, 12:48 PM   #11
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“Never argue with an idiot. They will only bring you down to their level and beat you with experience.”

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I don't find the poll all that surprising. You have to remember, 20 million of those that voted for him were evangelical Christians. For them to set aside their religious beliefs and vote for a man so obviously flawed morally, means they went "all in". They have "bet the farm", "gone for broke", "pulled out all the stops", sold their souls to a devil named Trump. They're almost cult like. They will never admit anything resembling buyers remorse on this one. They can't, they're too invested.
so that is why so many say they have you on ignore.
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Old September 8th, 2017, 02:07 PM   #12
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What we have had over the first six months of Trump, is an almost identical number of jobs created as the last six months of Obama. And an economy growing at the same rate it's been growing for years.
The True Believers have turned this into "Unprecedented growth" and "a miracle turnaround".

If Trump hands these people a shit sandwich, they'll gobble it down and ask for more.

But the Obama economy is not going to continue to grow with idiots running the show.
Then we'll watch them blame the collapse on Obama, without a trace of irony.
Get ready for the excuses.

It will take a while, but the people want change, and sooner or later that change will involve removing Trump.
Nothing lasts forever.
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The Democrats have nobody right now who can fight Trump.

Not because Trump is a good president - but because he represents the worst in the American society and has made it acceptable to present it to the public.

I don't know how we can beat him without sinking to his level of scum.

There's a reason The Three Stoogest are still on the air after all these years. You can never underestimate the American population.
Thanks for missing the point again! What the hell are you calling "sinking to his level?" Would offering universal healthcare be sinking to their level? Or what about a $15 minimum wage..not even enough to live on in America's largest cities! Or free tuition...many of the baby boomer politicians and their sponsors in both parties who scoff at this proposal, took advantage of a free or nearly free state university education in their youth! But, now it's off the table...even among Democratic Party power-brokers!

The reasons why the Dems are failures can largely be spelled out by what I'm hearing from Hillary's new clueless screed of denial and vindictiveness at "Bernie Bros" for asking for too much! Your party lost because they offered NOTHING to the majority of people. Otherwise a lot of those 38% who didn't bother to cast a vote, would have made their votes count regardless of any disenfranchisement tactics. Give the people something to vote for and they'll turn out at the polls! Offer nothing...except look what Donald's doing now, and expect to lose in 2020 and beyond...at least until the DSA or some other alternative can drop the Democratic Party into the ash can of history.
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It looks like the Permanent Political GOP Class is running scared. Trump has put their jobs on the line. The days of the RINO deadwood may be numbered.
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Old September 11th, 2017, 04:18 PM   #15
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From the Axios AM report:



The poll: https://www.wsj.com/articles/poll-hi...am=top-stories

That is almost enough to make me lose hope.


We knew a long time ago that Trump's base would stay true. It doesn't matter what he does, but his base is NOT enough. And keep in mind that there are lots of cards that haven't been played and this IS A HOUSE OF CARDS. WE have several ongoing investigations. We have tax returns that have not surfaced. We have a reckless person who is so arrogant he thinks he's above it all, including the law. WE have North Korea knocking at our door, a very divided GOP, tax reform, the hurricanes, debt limit and spending plan, a defense bill........
It seems to me the RW is taking a page or two from the DNC handbook. They are overconfident. They are putting all their eggs in the Trump basket. They are being lulled into a very false sense of security. AND don't forget that Hillary won the popular vote. It doesn't matter HOW she won it---but she did...and that is about numbers.
To recap: Approximately 59% voted. If Hillary won the popular vote that means that SHE got slightly more of the pie--possibly 32%. Which means that Trump won the presidency with less than a third of this nations eligible voters. Think about that.
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What we have had over the first six months of Trump, is an almost identical number of jobs created as the last six months of Obama. And an economy growing at the same rate it's been growing for years.
The True Believers have turned this into "Unprecedented growth" and "a miracle turnaround".

If Trump hands these people a shit sandwich, they'll gobble it down and ask for more.

But the Obama economy is not going to continue to grow with idiots running the show.
Then we'll watch them blame the collapse on Obama, without a trace of irony.
Get ready for the excuses.

It will take a while, but the people want change, and sooner or later that change will involve removing Trump.
Nothing lasts forever.
Obamaconomy growth rates were in decline from 2010 until 2016. Even after adding $1.4 trillion to the national debt in 2016 the Obamaconomy only grew by by 1.6%. We have reached an inflection point, economic growth rates in the Trumpconomy are up 30% over last year and the national debt is down over $100 billion.

Obama's full term average annual real economic rate was 1.58%, the worst in modern history.
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Old September 12th, 2017, 05:05 AM   #17
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Obamaconomy growth rates were in decline from 2010 until 2016. Even after adding $1.4 trillion to the national debt in 2016 the Obamaconomy only grew by by 1.6%. We have reached an inflection point, economic growth rates in the Trumpconomy are up 30% over last year and the national debt is down over $100 billion.

Obama's full term average annual real economic rate was 1.58%, the worst in modern history.

Comparing Obama's first year to Trump's first year is hardly a fair comparison. Obama walked into the worst recession in our life times. Trump walked into a well-recovered economy with a decent unemployment rate. Apples and Kumquats.
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So, why isn't the Democratic Party making deposits on their "bank of base," instead of sending out their henchmen and assorted underlings...who claim to be some kind of "resistance" attacking Bernie Sanders, Jill Stein and even Susan Sarandon yesterday for not supporting Queen Hillary and making Trump president!

The Democrats have decided that their base(a shrinking class of professional liberals) is all they need to win; but Trump's base...which appears to be 25 to 30% of the total voting age population is larger! And if the Dems can't appeal to anyone their corporate donors tell them not to, they can expect to lose again in 2020!

The attitude I find online in some of their rags and the statements of prominent Democrats on MSDNC make it sound like they just assume Republican support will fall so low that Democrats will win! That may have happened in 06, but I'm betting too many angry, increasingly indebted Americans are demanding something more to pay attention to the political process again.
I have never met a professional liberal. What do they look and smell like?

edit: I am being nice

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Old September 12th, 2017, 09:17 AM   #19
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The Democrats have nobody right now who can fight Trump.

Not because Trump is a good president - but because he represents the worst in the American society and has made it acceptable to present it to the public.

I don't know how we can beat him without sinking to his level of scum.

There's a reason The Three Stoogest are still on the air after all these years. You can never underestimate the American population.
The truth is, the Democrats don't have a moderate. The moderates have been beaten down by the Progressives. What Trump represents is a president representing the people and not the Party. Which is of great concern to both Parties. A return to Constitutionalism and the rule of law scares the hell out of Washington. Returning the power to the people is not in the best interest of the Federal government.
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Comparing Obama's first year to Trump's first year is hardly a fair comparison. Obama walked into the worst recession in our life times. Trump walked into a well-recovered economy with a decent unemployment rate. Apples and Kumquats.
Now there's some Liberal spin. All it took was Trump saying the swamp was going to be drained to spark a recovery. Add to that Trump's economic plan and business began to come alive.
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