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Old September 9th, 2017, 11:24 AM   #1
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Voter fraud is alive and well.

In New Hampshire Voter fraud is obvious.

Kobach: It Appears Out-of-State Voters Changed Outcome of New Hampshire U.S. Senate Race
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Old September 9th, 2017, 12:08 PM   #2
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It appears that the writer of that article has no clue as to how to analyze data.

The numbers he throws out are complete BS and actually do nothing to support his conclusion.
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Old September 9th, 2017, 01:23 PM   #3
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Someone has a hard time discerning Bullshit, I'll bet they're a Trump voter!
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Old September 9th, 2017, 01:43 PM   #4
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The problem with wingnuts like Roast Pork is that they are not even embarrassed to learn they were played as suckers......LOL

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Kris Kobach’s leap of logic on voter fraud in New Hampshire should be disqualifying


In the end, the conclusion that Kris Kobach should be kept as far as possible from any investigation into “voter fraud” — much less co-chairing President Trump’s federal exercise — comes down to three words:

“Now there’s proof.”


Kobach, Kansas’ secretary of state, has made a name for himself by ostentatiously seeking to uproot the eternally looming threat of fraudulent voting — much as Don Quixote made a name for himself in battling the scourge of giants. Kobach’s efforts have been picked apart exhaustively and repeatedly, including by us, and so we will set aside his greatest hits in favor of his latest which, by itself, is disqualifying for anyone who seeks to claim the authority to weigh in on the topic.

Writing for Breitbart, Kobach picks up a story from the Washington Times about voting in New Hampshire last year. That state has been a focus of voter-fraud conspiracy theories for two primary reasons: (1) It was close and (2) Trump didn’t win it. (In Michigan, a state he did win and where the percentage-point margin was even narrower, no one allied with Trump has raised a question at all. In fact, his lawyers asserted in a anti-recount lawsuit in that state that “all available evidence suggests that the 2016 general election was not tainted by fraud or mistake.”)

New Hampshire has also been a focus of fraud allegations because it has same-day voter registration, allowing people to show up to a polling place to vote even if they hadn’t registered in advance. This is the focus of the Times piece, and of Kobach’s failing freshman logic paper at Breitbart.

The Times presents numbers released by the Republican speaker of the New Hampshire House, which we quote directly below:

6,540 people registered and voted on Nov. 8, based on presenting out-of-state licenses.
As of Aug. 30, about 15 percent (1,014 of the voters) had been issued New Hampshire driver’s licenses.
Οf the remaining 5,526, barely more than 200 (3.3 percent) had registered a motor vehicle in New Hampshire.
So: some 5,313 voters registered with out-of-state licenses but hadn’t then registered a car within 10 months.


Now, here’s Kobach:

“So 5,313 of those voters neither obtained a New Hampshire driver’s license nor registered a vehicle in New Hampshire. They have not followed the legal requirements for residents regarding driver’s licenses, and it appears that they are not actually residing in New Hampshire. It seems that they never were bona fide residents of the State.”

And then he’s off to the races: It’s likely that the results of the Senate race are tainted! It’s possible that New Hampshire’s electoral votes went illegally to Hillary Clinton!

Or, you know, maybe they don’t have cars. Or, as pointed out by the Daily Mail’s David Martosko, once in the running to be Trump’s press secretary, maybe they are college students. Or both. Our David Weigel put out a call on social media for people who might be included among those voters above and, in short order, found four. Among them? The chair of the College Democrats at Dartmouth.

Update: Our Chris Ingraham noted an investigation by New Hampshire Public Radio from February in which they determined that most of those same-day registrations were in places that also were home to college campuses.
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Old September 9th, 2017, 02:33 PM   #5
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It appears that the writer of that article has no clue as to how to analyze data.

The numbers he throws out are complete BS and actually do nothing to support his conclusion.
Anything you don't like is B.S. according to you.
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Other things the "analysis" in this article failed to take into consideration.

1. NH state law not only requires ID but "proof of domicile". You don't only have to present an ID, you also have to present something (a current utility bill in your name) proving you are living in New Hampshire.

2. While the state law requires you get a NH DL there is no such requirement to register your vehicle in NH. So the registration numbers are meaningless.

3. The assumptions made are baseless. The fact that neighboring states are heavily Democratic means nothing. I can argue that those states being heavily Democratic probably means any voter fraud would favor REPUBLICANS. Someone voting in for GOP candidates in MA would realize that their vote is pointless but maybe it might count if the cross the state line and have their vote mean something.

4. Where did those voters vote? Unless they were concentrated in areas along state borders odds are they were not fraudulent voters.


These points are just off the top of my head.
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Old September 9th, 2017, 04:46 PM   #7
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New Hampshire is one of fifteen states that allow same-day voter registration. The benefit of same-day registration is that it allows a person who has procrastinated or has forgotten to register to nonetheless cast a ballot on election day. The downside of same-day registration is that it does not allow the state time to assess the eligibility of the voter. A volunteer poll worker simply accepts a modicum of identification and takes the voter at his word that he’s a U.S. citizen resident of the state who is eligible to vote.
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Which seems to suggest that voter fraud would be easy to commit.
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New Hampshire is one of fifteen states that allow same-day voter registration. The benefit of same-day registration is that it allows a person who has procrastinated or has forgotten to register to nonetheless cast a ballot on election day. The downside of same-day registration is that it does not allow the state time to assess the eligibility of the voter. A volunteer poll worker simply accepts a modicum of identification and takes the voter at his word that he’s a U.S. citizen resident of the state who is eligible to vote.
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Which seems to suggest that voter fraud would be easy to commit.
The source that the volunteers take the word that the voter is a resident is the article.

NH state law says they must present documentation proving domicile status.

Hmmm, which source should I trust? An article from Brietbart or NH code?
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The source that the volunteers take the word that the voter is a resident is the article.

NH state law says they must present documentation proving domicile status.

Hmmm, which source should I trust? An article from Brietbart or NH code?
The equivalent of sticking your fingers in your ears and chanting , " lalalala I can't hear you".
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The source that the volunteers take the word that the voter is a resident is the article.

NH state law says they must present documentation proving domicile status.

Hmmm, which source should I trust? An article from Brietbart or NH code?
That assumes a volunteer worker will ask for documentation. If it's a person registering to vote in a Democratic primary, would that volunteer be inclined to ask for other documentation? NH must end same day registration. It invites fraud.
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