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Old September 15th, 2017, 11:47 AM   #11
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Nope! That is exactly the lie that the alt-right is trying to push.

The thugs are the home-grown Nazis, the lynch mob KKK, and the violent White Supremacists......the terrorists!

They are the ones who for decades have beaten or killed people who protested their hate-filled racist rallies.

Now, some ordinary people are standing up to the violent radical right and are willing to put thenselves out front to fight the fascists and protect the peaceful demonstrators, who constitute the large majority of the people coming out to protest the racists.

The terrorists are the ones whose loyal member drive a car into a crowd of protesters, killing one innocent young woman and injuring 19 people.

In Charlottesville, here's what also happened before the terrorist drive a car into the crowd....

CHARLOTTESVILLE — Rumors circulated all week. Details were scant. No time or place was certain, but the word was that white nationalists and supremacists coming to town for Saturday’s Unite the Right rally had a Friday night surprise. They were going to march in a torchlight procession — a symbolic gathering meant to evoke similar marches of Hitler Youth and other ultraright nationalist organizations of the past century.

By 8:45 p.m. Friday, a column of about 250 mostly young white males, many wearing khaki pants and white polo shirts, began to stretch across the shadowy Nameless Field, a large expanse of grass behind Memorial Gymnasium at the University of Virginia. Their torches, filled with kerosene by workers at a nearby table, were still dark. “Stay in formation!” barked an organizer carrying a bullhorn. “Two by two! Two by two!” Within minutes, marchers lit their torches. Additional organizers, wearing earpieces and carrying radios, ran up and down the line shouting directions. The marchers took off at a brisk pace and immediately began yelling slogans: “Blood and soil!” and “Jews will not replace us!”, phrases drawn from Nazi ideology. The demonstration was suffused with anti-black racism, but also with anti-Semitism. Marchers displayed swastikas on banners.

The chants echoed as the group marched past the iconic halls of the university founded by Thomas Jefferson, paraded down the middle of the hallowed Lawn, climbed to the rotunda and converged on a statue of Jefferson himself. There they met their enemy. A group of about 30 U-Va. students — students of color and white students — had locked arms around the base of the statue to face down the hundreds of torchbearers. The marchers circled the statue. Some made monkey noises at the black counterprotesters. Then they began chanting, “White lives matter!". Within moments, there was chaos. Shoves. Punches. Both groups sprayed chemical irritants. Many marchers threw their torches toward the statue and the students.

The rally on Saturday was scheduled to go from noon to 5 p.m., but by 8 a.m., the park was already beginning to fill. Rallygoers arrived in contingents, waving nationalist banners and chanting slogans. Many carried shields and clubs. A large number also carried pistols or long guns. Counterprotesters had also gathered early. Members of anti-fascist groups yelled at the rallygoers. Many of them also carried sticks and shields. They were joined by local residents, members of church groups, civil rights leaders and onlookers. At 9:30 a.m., about 30 clergy members clasped arms and began singing “This Little Light of Mine.” Twenty feet away, the white nationalists roared back, “Our blood, our soil!” In the midst of the two groups, another force arrived. Dressed in full camouflage and outfitted with semiautomatic rifles and pistols, three dozen members of a self-styled militia walked onto the sidewalk. Although Virginia is an open-carry state, the presence of the militia was unnerving to law enforcement officials on the scene.

Charlottesville Police Chief Al S. Thomas Jr. said the rallygoers reneged on a plan that would have kept them separated from the counterprotesters. Instead of coming in at one entrance, he said, they came in from all sides. Headlong into the counterprotesters. A few minutes before 11 a.m., a swelling group of white nationalists carrying large shields and long wooden clubs approached the park on Market Street. About two dozen counterprotesters formed a line across the street, blocking their path. With a roar, the marchers charged through the line, swinging sticks, punching and spraying chemicals. Anti-fascist counterprotesters fought back, also swinging sticks, punching and spraying chemicals. Others threw balloons filled with paint or ink at the white nationalists. Everywhere, it seemed violence was exploding. The police did not move to break up the fights.

Bottles and rocks continued to fly back and forth between rallygoers and counterprotesters. Smaller fights broke out and then settled. As the sporadic violence worsened, law enforcement leaders decided they had seen enough. “At 11:22, we declared an unlawful assembly,” Virginia Secretary of Public Safety and Homeland Security Brian Moran said. Within minutes of the dispersal order, the right-wing groups began leaving the park, still exchanging taunts and insults with counterprotesters as they made their way toward McIntire Park, a mile from downtown. “Go the f--- back to Africa,” one rallygoer yelled. “F--- you, n-----!” many also screamed. “Dylann Roof was a hero!” another yelled, referring to the white supremacist who killed nine African Americans in a church in Charleston, S.C., in 2015. Another lit a flare and threw it at a Washington Post videographer. She jumped out of the way.

At 1:14 p.m., the Charlottesville city Twitter account tweeted: “CPD & VSP respond to 3-vehicle crash at Water & 4th Streets. Several pedestrians struck. Multiple injuries.” There wasn’t an immediate connection between the rally and what was at that point being called a crash. Witnesses, though, had no doubt. It was “absolutely intentional,” Matthew Korbon said as he watched victims being loaded into ambulances. He had been standing on the sidewalk when rallygoer James Alex Fields Jr. allegedly roared his Dodge Challenger at a crowd of pedestrians. Heather Meyer 32, of Charlottesville was killed, and 19 others were injured. Korbon said he saw the driver plow into one group and reverse into another.

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This article contradicts itself. If there were peaceful demonstrators, where were they? What I witnessed were thugs attacking, and the "so-called" peaceful demonstrators egging them on. Add to that, a police department told not to interfere unless someone's life was in peril. The actions on all sides was deplorable.
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Old September 15th, 2017, 12:07 PM   #12
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Wow! That article (and Dershowitz) are about as impressive as a loud fart in a hurricane.

I wonder why 'the Daily Whine' is so hot to promote Shapiro's side?

Oh, right....

The Daily Wire is a politically conservative American news and opinion website founded in 2015 by conservative political commentator Ben Shapiro, who currently serves as Editor-in-Chief.
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Old September 15th, 2017, 12:20 PM   #13
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Wow! That article (and Dershowitz) are about as impressive as a loud fart in a hurricane.

I wonder why 'the Daily Whine' is so hot to promote Shapiro's side?

Oh, right....

The Daily Wire is a politically conservative American news and opinion website founded in 2015 by conservative political commentator Ben Shapiro, who currently serves as Editor-in-Chief.
So you know anything about Dershowitz apparently.
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Old September 15th, 2017, 12:26 PM   #14
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So you know anything about Dershowitz apparently.
Other than being a celebrity whore and a lawyer, what's to know?
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Old September 15th, 2017, 02:27 PM   #15
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It's interesting. My husband is friends with Ben Shapiro (I've met him, but we're not on any kind of close terms).

The people on this forum, who I'm sure defend and endorse and advocate everything he says, are 10 times more hateful and nasty and mean-spirited than he is.

He's actually a pretty nice guy, politics aside. And I've never heard him spew the bile that is hurled around here.
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Old September 15th, 2017, 02:32 PM   #16
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It's interesting. My husband is friends with Ben Shapiro (I've met him, but we're not on any kind of close terms).

The people on this forum, who I'm sure defend and endorse and advocate everything he says, are 10 times more hateful and nasty and mean-spirited than he is.

He's actually a pretty nice guy, politics aside. And I've never heard him spew the bile that is hurled around here.
LOL, you truly need to look in a mirror.
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Old September 17th, 2017, 01:26 PM   #17
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I don't recall anybody saying that "European ancestors are all greedy, nosy, pushy, loudmouths."

But, I've certainly heard "Jews are all ...."

edited to add: "when I go to the flea market, I always try to European ancestor the dealers down."
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Old September 17th, 2017, 02:54 PM   #18
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LOL, you truly need to look in a mirror.
There is enough blame to go around. But, what I'm seeing are efforts by the mainstream to deny to a definable portion of America their place in America.

On these discussion boards, and this one has been the exception thus far, you have professional trolls that want to silence that definable portion of Americans so they allow their gurus to come in (and I suspect those people are not only trolls, but moderators with dual accounts.) The trolls start bait threads, the respondents post, and then are "banned."

Today, with YouTube being policed by the ADL in an attempt to shut down a certain segment of society along with web hosts shutting down unpopular people, we are building a recipe for a very unfortunate outcome. Censorship won't work.

The problem I have is that those who will address unpopular subject matter without calling other's names and advocating illegal / unpopular / unworkable / violent solutions (as if regression is a solution) can expect to find themselves locked out of the discussions. That only encourages and empowers extremists to operate, creating the pretext that censorship is somehow justified.
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We only have two moderators, don't we? IT and Pensacola?

They are not trolls. They do not start bait threads.
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