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Old September 20th, 2017, 07:39 AM   #21
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No, they DID NOT.

They tried to shut down a RIOT.

It may be hard for you to discern the difference, but there is one.
No, in April and again in august Berkeley pulled back the police and let antifa left wing facists riot to their hearts delight to facilitate shutting down conservatives.

Then when Shapiro tried to speak at Berkley first he was threatened with arrest, then made to jump to extraordinary hoops before his recent speech there.

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Old September 20th, 2017, 09:25 AM   #22
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Nope, discollector challenged goober to prove a negative, that voter fraud isn't a problem.

That's not the way honest debate goes.
So, wait. I'm confused. Are there more votes than there are live voters in the United States? So, let us be clear here - very clear. You cannot prove a "negative?" If so, tristanrobin, Hollwood, etc. just did themselves a great disservice:

Trump's Bogus Voter Fraud Claims - FactCheck.org

Of that article, we read:

"However, numerous academic studies and government inquiries have found in-person voter fraud to be rare..."

If you're dancing around an issue, then expect to be called on it. The studies only confirm "in person voter fraud" to be very low. What about absentee ballots?

I'm looking at the studies and the info. So far, I see a lot of allegations and counter - allegations, but nobody has proven or disproven any of it and if any of you think differently, please, please, please never agree to jury duty. Just tell the judge you've already made up your mind.
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Old September 20th, 2017, 03:05 PM   #23
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So, wait. I'm confused. Are there more votes than there are live voters in the United States? So, let us be clear here - very clear. You cannot prove a "negative?" If so, tristanrobin, Hollwood, etc. just did themselves a great disservice:

Trump's Bogus Voter Fraud Claims - FactCheck.org

Of that article, we read:

"However, numerous academic studies and government inquiries have found in-person voter fraud to be rare..."

If you're dancing around an issue, then expect to be called on it. The studies only confirm "in person voter fraud" to be very low. What about absentee ballots?

I'm looking at the studies and the info. So far, I see a lot of allegations and counter - allegations, but nobody has proven or disproven any of it and if any of you think differently, please, please, please never agree to jury duty. Just tell the judge you've already made up your mind.
Proving a negative, our legal system is built on just the opposite. If someone says you've broken the law, the burden of proof rests with the accuser, not the accused.

If someone claims that X exists, it's a logical fallacy to claim that X exists until some person proves that X doesn't exist.

The burden of proof always rests upon the accuser or proponent. That's how honest debate proceeds.
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Old September 20th, 2017, 03:21 PM   #24
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Proving a negative, our legal system is built on just the opposite. If someone says you've broken the law, the burden of proof rests with the accuser, not the accused.

If someone claims that X exists, it's a logical fallacy to claim that X exists until some person proves that X doesn't exist.

The burden of proof always rests upon the accuser or proponent. That's how honest debate proceeds.
Unless you are on the right side of Marx then you are a racist-nazi. No evidence needed.

Russia did it.
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Old September 20th, 2017, 03:30 PM   #25
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Unless you are on the right side of Marx then you are a racist-nazi. No evidence needed.

Russia did it.
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Old September 20th, 2017, 04:22 PM   #27
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Unless you are on the right side of Marx then you are a racist-nazi. No evidence needed.

Russia did it.
I remember when you used to try to make sense....
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Old September 20th, 2017, 06:11 PM   #28
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I remember when you used to try to make sense....
I remember when American liberals actually stood for something.


Sometimes it is fun to reminisce.
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Old September 20th, 2017, 07:44 PM   #29
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On the birther issue you were proven wrong. The evidence suggests that Obama was born in Kenya... if you take Obama at his word. If anyone is at fault, it would be Obama for lying. Who would even think to investigate a man to see if he's lying about what he is - ESPECIALLY if it would have disqualified him from being president?

I don't believe in "massive voter fraud" either, but I will look into it and see if I can find proof that you are right. I guess I had hoped that you would provide the evidence. It's not enough to disbelieve. If you're going to call people morons, you have to provide evidence.

The real reason you hear tales about massive voter fraud is to prop up the pretexts that we should have this super duper National ID crap that would make Hitler's tattoo idea look like a walk in the park. Now, that you have the motive, you should tell us what proof you have that there was not massive voter fraud.
Seriously, to post this you have to completely ignore reality.
There was never a legitimate question of where Obama was born, that was nonsense from the start.
And the evidence of voter fraud suggests that maybe one out of ten million votes is fraudulent. Which may just make it the most honest process on the planet.

Here's the key to analyzing voter fraud, ever voter has to provide an address, we know where every voter lives, fraud becomes very obvious, if I give a fake address, someone else is already registered there, or the address doesn't exist.
And when then voting is examined in great detail, the evidence shows it's legit. It's not that they can't prove fraud, it's that the evidence proves there was no fraud.

In Carolina, 1000 dead people voted, each and every instance was thoroughly investigated, and in EVERY instance, the actual voter was identified, as a legitimate voter, ZERO fraud.

In New Hampshire, where Kris Kobach alleged that 5300 people voted fraudulently, and whipped up a bunch of excited morons, he quickly changed his claim to "at one vote has to be fraudulent."
Overstating the actual number of fraudulent votes by 1.

The proof there is no massive voter fraud is that it's been looked for and not found, and it's hard to hide.
The only reasonable explanation of the actual results is that fraudulent votes number in the dozens, out of a billion votes cast.
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Old September 21st, 2017, 04:21 AM   #30
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So, wait. I'm confused. Are there more votes than there are live voters in the United States? So, let us be clear here - very clear. You cannot prove a "negative?" If so, tristanrobin, Hollwood, etc. just did themselves a great disservice:

Trump's Bogus Voter Fraud Claims - FactCheck.org

Of that article, we read:

"However, numerous academic studies and government inquiries have found in-person voter fraud to be rare..."

If you're dancing around an issue, then expect to be called on it. The studies only confirm "in person voter fraud" to be very low. What about absentee ballots?

I'm looking at the studies and the info. So far, I see a lot of allegations and counter - allegations, but nobody has proven or disproven any of it and if any of you think differently, please, please, please never agree to jury duty. Just tell the judge you've already made up your mind.
Actually, voter fraud is one of those things where you can prove a negative.
In Carolina, 1000 dead people voted.
Evidence of fraud?
Actually proof no fraud took place, because each and every one of those votes was thoroughly investigated and what the investigators found IN EVERY CASE, was that no fraud took place.
There were absentee ballots mailed in by people who then died before election day, there were errors by poll workers who checked off the wrong person in the register, in these cases they found a real voter, who claimed to have voted, whose name was unchecked and appeared next to the name of the dead person.

The reason that there is so very little voter fraud has to do with incentives.
You are committing a felony, while providing your name and address, and you get nothing for this. There just aren't that many elections that turn on one vote.

Now we have the case of Jeffrey Gerrish, nominated by Trump to be deputy Trade Representative, who actually crossed state lines to vote in a more competitive state. MORON. How many years should he get?
They gave that woman in Texas 8 years.
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