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Old September 30th, 2017, 08:34 AM   #11
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The Jones Act being suspended will do nothing but kick the American worker in the teeth again.
Trump? Kicking the American worker in the teeth? How the hell is that going to MAGA?
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Old September 30th, 2017, 08:53 AM   #12
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LMAO this sounds like the right going after Obama and golfing during Benghazi or whatever it was. TDS, fucking hilarious
I don't remember you bitching when he did it for Houston and Florida.

Why didn't you then?
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Over three million Americans without electricity or water.
And less response than was supplied to Houston or Florida.

The Jones Act was suspended immediately for Houston and Florida, it took a week for it to happen for Puerto Rico, because "shipping interests" told Trump it wasn't a good idea.

The economic devastation of the island is enormous, the electric grid needs to be rebuilt, surely the commonwealth will default on it's debt.
What should we do when a part of America is destroyed by a natural disaster?

The amount of aid that will be required over the coming years is enormous, will we supply it?

If we don't, there will be hundreds of thousands if not millions who come to the mainland, and they will be entitled to get welfare, they are Americans.
It's pretty clear that many rightwingers don't really think of Puerto Ricans as 'real Americans', no matter what the law says. This Administration and the Republicans controlling this Congress certainly don't....after all, it isn't an actual State and, most importantly from the Republican power trippers point of view, the people living there can't vote in our national elections.....as Wikipedia puts it: "Residents of Puerto Rico and other U.S. territories do not have voting representation in the United States Congress, and are not entitled to electoral votes for President."

The response to these one-two punches from Hurricanes Irma and Maria that totally devastated the island has been utterly pathetic so far. If anything at all is happening now to help them, it is because the generals managed to get the military to pick up the ball after the TrumpsterFire, not just 'dropped the ball', but totally ignored it to rant and rave about black athletes silently protesting racial injustice. The Liars in the White House claim that they are handling things quite well but the people who are actually there on the ground say very clearly that nothing effective has happened so far....and it has been 23 days since Irma devastated the island and 10 days since Maria struck the island for the second time.

As the mayor of San Juan, the capital city, and many others, have just been reporting....

San Juan mayor slams Trump, US response
Lack of water, food, medical supplies creating a public health emergency

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By Arelis R. Hernández, Mark Berman and John Wagner
September 29, 2017
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SAN JUAN, PUERTO RICO — The gulf between what Trump administration officials in Washington are saying about hurricane recovery efforts and what people in Puerto Rico are seeing on the ground came into sharp view Friday, as the mayor of the territory's capital city made an exasperated plea for help that seemed to capture the collective despair of the island's residents.

The administration has continued to defend its handling of the disaster, which has swelled into a humanitarian crisis amid widespread shortages of water and electricity, while local officials and residents alike have continued to plead for basic necessities.

Carmen Yulín Cruz, the mayor of San Juan, gave voice to this tension on Friday when she criticized acting Homeland Security Secretary Elaine Duke's assertion that the federal response is "a good-news story in terms of our ability to reach people" and the relatively low death toll. In televised interviews, she said the situation on the island is anything but good news, with people scraping for food, and for their lives.

Cruz delivered what she described as a "mayday" call to Washington in a news conference Friday, decrying federal and local government logistical failures in delivering basic goods to communities across Puerto Rico. She said the federal response has "collapsed," emotionally describing how provincial mayors have tried unsuccessfully to retrieve critical goods from the government command center in San Juan.

"People are dying in this country," Cruz said. "I am begging, begging anyone that can hear us, to save us from dying. If anybody out there is listening to us, we are dying and you are killing us with the inefficiency and the bureaucracy."

Puerto Rico Gov. Ricardo Rossello acknowledged Friday that the initial response was inadequate. "The response still is not where it needs to be, certainly it's not," Rosselló told MSNBC on Friday morning. He added: "We do need more help."

Millions across Puerto Rico — a U.S. territory that is home to more than 3 million American citizens — have struggled since Hurricane Maria tore across the island on Sept. 20, leaving them without access to electricity, drinking water, food and medical supplies. Hospitals have lost power, leading to concerns of a public-health emergency.

The U.S. government's initial response has come under increasing scrutiny, with critics comparing it to the poor federal reaction to Hurricane Katrina in 2005 and contrasting it unfavorably with the effort shown after two recent hurricanes battered Texas and Florida.

At least 16 people have died in Puerto Rico, officials say, a number that is expected to climb as the recovery continues. Trump told reporters Friday while leaving the White House that "we've made tremendous strides" responding in Puerto Rico. Trump described Puerto Rico as "an island surrounded by water — big water, ocean water."

"He refers to them as if they're some foreign entity or alien culture," said Robert Dallek, a presidential historian. Melissa Mark-Viverito (D), speaker of the New York City Council and a native of Puerto Rico, said Trump was treating Puerto Ricans as "second-class citizens." She visited the island earlier this week; her mother still lives there. "There is a double standard of how Puerto Ricans are being treated," she said on MSNBC after Trump tweeted a message discussing the potential recovery cost.
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LMAO this sounds like the right going after Obama and golfing during Benghazi or whatever it was. TDS, fucking hilarious
Yeah, just like that dolt.
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His rant about the mean mayor and such was just part of his early AM whinefest. He also crapped on fake news reporting that he has been less than stellar in his response to this. He isn't denying it was, just bitching about the fact that it is being pointed out.

He claims the media told the mayor to be mean to him.

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The Mayor of San Juan, who was very complimentary only a few days ago, has now been told by the Democrats that you must be nasty to Trump.
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His rant about the mean mayor and such was just part of his early AM whinefest. He also crapped on fake news reporting that he has been less than stellar in his response to this. He isn't denying it was, just bitching about the fact that it is being pointed out.

He claims the media told the mayor to be mean to him.

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The Mayor of San Juan, who was very complimentary only a few days ago, has now been told by the Democrats that you must be nasty to Trump.
Read a bunch more at https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump if it lets you access without an account.
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"He refers to them as if they're some foreign entity or alien culture," said Robert Dallek, a presidential historian. Melissa Mark-Viverito (D), speaker of the New York City Council and a native of Puerto Rico, said Trump was treating Puerto Ricans as "second-class citizens." She visited the island earlier this week; her mother still lives there. "There is a double standard of how Puerto Ricans are being treated," she said on MSNBC after Trump tweeted a message discussing the potential recovery cost.
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Trump's on record.

There are ‘Big decisions’ ahead on how much to spend on a ‘destroyed’ Puerto Rico.
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His rant about the mean mayor and such was just part of his early AM whinefest. He also crapped on fake news reporting that he has been less than stellar in his response to this. He isn't denying it was, just bitching about the fact that it is being pointed out.

He claims the media told the mayor to be mean to him.



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He is just so totally unfit for office. He will never be seen as a leader.
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I don't remember you bitching when he did it for Houston and Florida. Why didn't you then?
The usual rightwingnut hypocrisy, obviously....

Waivers for the Jones Act have been issued in the past, such as during Superstorm Sandy in 2012, which went largely unnoticed by the public. And waivers were issued recently during Hurricane Harvey and Irma.

Hurricane Harvey took a toll on the oil supply system of the Texas Gulf coast. Because Texas is a hub for nationwide petroleum distribution, the damage from Harvey led to limited fuel supplies, adding stress to recovery and evacuation efforts in Texas and possibly Florida. In light of this, Trump issued a temporary Jones Act waiver that allowed foreign vessels to transport petroleum products between the Gulf coast and eastern seaboard.

Department of Homeland Security’s David Lapan later said in an email to NewsHour that to the best of their knowledge, eight vessels reported that they made use of the Jones Act waiver for both Harvey and Irma combined. It’s hard to tell yet if that number is accurate.

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His rant about the mean mayor and such was just part of his early AM whinefest. He also crapped on fake news reporting that he has been less than stellar in his response to this. He isn't denying it was, just bitching about the fact that it is being pointed out.

He claims the media told the mayor to be mean to him.



Read a bunch more at https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump if it lets you access without an account.
I could access it. I wish I couldn't have.
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