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Old October 3rd, 2017, 01:25 PM   #31
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If you give up your weapons, will antifa give up theirs?

Will the drug dealers and desperate drug users not feel even more emboldened to attack people they know cannot defend themselves?

Who will serve as the bulwark against tyranny if America disarms?

If firearms are outlawed, millions will not comply. America already has the most prisons in the entire world. At what point does the prison population become financially unbearable for the taxpayer?

Right now with ISIS claiming responsibility for having radicalized this guy, a big mistake would be to think they don't have that capability. It's either that or he was on SSRIs. Maybe it's time to start thinking about real ways of dealing with political jihadists and those who are addicted to "legal drugs" ... the ones whose known side effects are thoughts of suicide and homicide.
So after the replies to the topic, the consensus is the same as it is after every mass shooting. There is nothing we can do. We just have to deal with it.

To any thinking person, consider where that leads to in the future. Especially the future of the second amendment itself.

Fortunately a Supreme Court Justice named Antonin Scalia did exactly that when he gave the majority opinion in the Heller v DC decision.

The average citizen has the right to have a gun to defend themself in the home.

It also gives the states the right to regulate the carrying of, and the types of weapons citizens can possess, and the authority to prohibit the private sales of firearms without background checks being performed.

It also gives the government the right to prohibit access to fully automatic weapons, and accessories such as silencers, and bump stocks.

The second amendment does not grant absolute right to unrestricted firearm use anymore than the first amendment allows you commit libel or slander another person.

It's now time to protect the second amendment by the states and federal government using the Heller decision to enact as much legislation, and put in place as much regulation as possible, to protect both the safety and rights of it's citizens.
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Old October 3rd, 2017, 01:33 PM   #32
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I haven't heard one gun law proposed that would have slowed this guy down. He had lots of money, no desire to live, and a clean record.

Describe a gun control law that would slow the Las Vegas shooker down if you can.
His Dad was on the FBI 10 most wanted list and both were psychopaths running loose thanks to Roselyn Carter.
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Old October 3rd, 2017, 02:20 PM   #33
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An intelligent law which would ban all semi-automatic rifles and make it a felony with a mandatory 10 year no parole sentence for owning one would greatly decrease the casualty numbers, just for one.
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We have made progress on the human rights issues and racial differences, but with progress comes push back.

Athletes have been an important part of that progress and I think Trump is wrong to not respect that history. If I were in a social media position, I would do an article on how important people of color have been to the self-image of the US and improving the image of people of color and opening opportunities for them to be equal in all ways.

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Eighteen Black athletes represented the United States in the 1936 Olympics. African-Americans dominated the popular track and field events. Many American journalists hailed the victories of Jesse Owens and other Blacks as a blow to the Nazi myth of Aryan supremacy.
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People of color fought in WWII believing they were fighting for democratic equality, only to come home and face the reality of inequality and that all that rhetoric about democracy and equality was only talk in a time of war, boosting the will to defend democracy, but in truth, not a defended value in society.

I think the football players protest is warranted. They are acting on American values, and I am sorry some people are offended by that. The protest would not happen if there was no cause for the protest. Those American loving folks protesting the protest need to get out of denial and join the effort to affect change.
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Why does anyone "need" to be able to purchase 24 cans of beer at one time?

Why does anyone "need" a car that exceeds the speed limit?

Is it more palatable that 60 people are killed by DUI because it's done two or three people per accident as opposed to a killing spree where the damage is done all at once?
That is the real point of the gungrabber argument. Control. If saving lives was their real goal they would be advocating for 5mph speed limits and the abolition of all guns.

They are worshipers of the state and they want the states monopoly on violence to be absolute. Some are naive enough to believe that they can legislate morality but the most just want the state to use its monopoly on violence to force their belief system on others.

They are collectivists.
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Big news on BBC and CBC. Their take is that all kinds of investors think this will cause lots of guys to rush out and buy lots of guns because they think this will in fact cause more gun restrictions.

But the NRA has their backs. Nothing to worry about, I am sure.
For eight years the NRA didn't just beat, they absolutely POUNDED, the drum claiming that Obama was coming for our weapons. At one point they went so far as to claim the PROOF he was coming for our guns in his second term was the fact he hadn't done so in his first. What they never mentioned was HOW this humongous gun grab was going to take place and un der what authority.

In response to this constant stream of fear mongering and propaganda the gun makers had their best decade EVER !!!

Obama was THE best thing ever to happed to gun sales. Tho frankly the logic defies me. IF the government is coming for your guns, why would you rush out and buy more guns for them to confiscate ??
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Former NFL quarterback Colin Kaepernick pioneered the protests last year when he took a knee during the anthem over what he said was social and racial injustice.
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Ah, why are you all arguing about gun rights, instead of social and racial injustice? If anyone wants to support the players who are protesting than don't derail the thread by talking about something else. Be part of the solution, not part of the problem.
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I read a very ironic news item this morning. Gun stocks have actually GONE UP. They FELL 17% the day after Trump was elected. Now after the shooting they've gone up about 3%.
Well that makes sense, Hillary was going to ban guns she as much as said it, so people were buying what they could, while they could, when Trump was elected they were no longer worried about it!
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Well that makes sense, Hillary was going to ban guns she as much as said it, so people were buying what they could, while they could, when Trump was elected they were no longer worried about it!
And please explain exactly HOW she was going to manage this ?? By what means ??
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And please explain exactly HOW she was going to manage this ?? By what means ??
It's as if the dumbfucks don't know that the GOP has a majority in both houses of Congress AND most Democrats would be against "banning firearms."
Christ, the stupidity!
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