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Old October 7th, 2017, 01:59 PM   #31
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Careful how you set the rules.
If Capital owes labor nothing, then Labor can eat Capitalists when they get hungry, after all, they owe them nothing either, and fat ones look tasty...
Explain that?
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Old October 7th, 2017, 02:08 PM   #32
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Looks interesting, and it reminds me of something I wasn't really aware of before this year....it seems that the "Life, Liberty and the Pursuit of Happiness" we've all heard so much about comes from John Locke's three L's: "Life, Liberty and Land!" Those FF's weren't about to give up or divy up any of the land they owned already, so only way to bring the lower class farmers and townsfolk on board with the Revolution was to get the point across that they would get assistance from the new revolutionary government if they disobeyed the British colonial directives that no colonists were allowed to move or settle in Indian lands past Appalachia. So, it's get out there, shoot some Indians, drive their families away and burn their villages, and then 'pursue your happiness' by building the biggest goddammed farm you can manage. And oh, if you can afford it, buy some slaves to do the work of clearing, planting and harvesting your new land and you can be rich just like us...and enjoy the libertarian dream!

So, regardless of the fables a lot of overpaid, college educated political science, economics and philosophy grads can cook up, there is no way to have an equality between the guy who owns a modest little house and the fatcat who owns a mansion!
Is that your interpretation of Life, Liberty, and Property? Is there suppose to equality between the fat-cat and the guy who owns a modest house? Or, are you enjoying your socialist-dream. The dream that says, if you can't do it, take it from someone else. The word "equality" does not give you license to steal from others.
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Old October 7th, 2017, 02:10 PM   #33
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When unfettered free market laissez faire capitalism runs it's course, it ends up with the Capitalists against the wall.

It collapses and it sets up the political situation that brings on a socialist revolution. That's what happened in Russia, in China, and it's what happened in Venezuela.
This bullshit about "workers are owed nothing" has the necessary corollary that owners are owed nothing.
Either a system works for everybody, at least the vast majority, or it doesn't work for very long.

Look at Venezuela, that wasn't a violent revolution, but wealth was so concentrated that the people could elect Chavez, and Chavez had the political support to amend the constitution at will, every thing that happened there was constitutional, there was no overthrow, that was a political overreaction.


Ever since Reagan rejiggered the tax rates, wealth has become more and more concentrated.
That's going to destroy the system, and what it lands on then probably will be less to your liking that what we have now.
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Old October 7th, 2017, 04:54 PM   #34
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When unfettered free market laissez faire capitalism runs it's course, it ends up with the Capitalists against the wall.

It collapses and it sets up the political situation that brings on a socialist revolution. That's what happened in Russia, in China, and it's what happened in Venezuela.
This bullshit about "workers are owed nothing" has the necessary corollary that owners are owed nothing.
Either a system works for everybody, at least the vast majority, or it doesn't work for very long.

Look at Venezuela, that wasn't a violent revolution, but wealth was so concentrated that the people could elect Chavez, and Chavez had the political support to amend the constitution at will, every thing that happened there was constitutional, there was no overthrow, that was a political overreaction.


Ever since Reagan rejiggered the tax rates, wealth has become more and more concentrated.
That's going to destroy the system, and what it lands on then probably will be less to your liking that what we have now.

People are only owed what they earn.


The concentration of wealth has way more to do w/ the creation of money and government intervention in the economy than your boogie man big Ron.
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Old October 7th, 2017, 05:55 PM   #35
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People are only owed what they earn.


The concentration of wealth has way more to do w/ the creation of money and government intervention in the economy than your boogie man big Ron.
When the after tax rate of return on investment is higher than the GDP growth rate, wealth becomes more concentrated.
From 1930 to 1980, the growth rate was higher than the after tax rate of return on investment, and wealth became less concentrated, more broadly dispersed.
The middle class prospered.
Since 1981, wealth has become more concentrated, the middle class has not prospered.
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When the after tax rate of return on investment is higher than the GDP growth rate, wealth becomes more concentrated.
From 1930 to 1980, the growth rate was higher than the after tax rate of return on investment, and wealth became less concentrated, more broadly dispersed.
The middle class prospered.
Since 1981, wealth has become more concentrated, the middle class has not prospered.

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In 1990, total currency in circulation in the world passed one trillion USD. After 12 years, in 2002 this figure was two trillion USD, and in 2008 it had increased to four trillion USD.[5]


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If you understand how money is created then how can you claim that tax rates and not money creation is a larger contributing factor in the concentration of wealth that we are currently experiencing?
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When unfettered free market laissez faire capitalism runs it's course, it ends up with the Capitalists against the wall.

It collapses and it sets up the political situation that brings on a socialist revolution. That's what happened in Russia, in China, and it's what happened in Venezuela.
This bullshit about "workers are owed nothing" has the necessary corollary that owners are owed nothing.
Either a system works for everybody, at least the vast majority, or it doesn't work for very long.

Look at Venezuela, that wasn't a violent revolution, but wealth was so concentrated that the people could elect Chavez, and Chavez had the political support to amend the constitution at will, every thing that happened there was constitutional, there was no overthrow, that was a political overreaction.


Ever since Reagan rejiggered the tax rates, wealth has become more and more concentrated.
That's going to destroy the system, and what it lands on then probably will be less to your liking that what we have now.
Where did you get that load of nonsense? What socialist/communist crap are you reading? Do you have any idea of how absurd your remarks are?
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Old October 8th, 2017, 04:59 AM   #38
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Where did you get that load of nonsense? What socialist/communist crap are you reading? Do you have any idea of how absurd your remarks are?
I can see how someone devoid of education in history and economics could believe that...
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https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Circulation_(currency)


If you understand how money is created then how can you claim that tax rates and not money creation is a larger contributing factor in the concentration of wealth that we are currently experiencing?
The tax rate thing isn't a theory, it's a mathematical identity
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Old October 8th, 2017, 09:24 AM   #40
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I can see how someone devoid of education in history and economics could believe that...
Where the hell did you get " laissez faire capitalism"? Business in this country is highly regulated. So much so that business closure was at its highest during the Obimbo administration. There is nothing laissez faire about being regulated, and taxes out of business!!
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