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Old November 26th, 2017, 10:24 AM   #11
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Is that not what Hollywood meant? I agree with him, our secular laws matter. And according to this , all those accused of a crime are innocent until proven guilty in a court of law. This does not only include Moore, but even those standing accused in the media of sex crimes.(re: the Hollywood industry)
In Moore's case in particular, the number of accusers and the number of corroborating witnesses, when combined with the legal anomaly of the statute of limitations makes the court of public opinion a valid venue for establishing his fitness to be a Senator.

In this case it shouldn't be necessary as it has twice been decided in courts that he shit on the constitution but ...
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Old November 26th, 2017, 10:29 AM   #12
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So far as the law is concerned, of course. So far as his reputation and viability as a political candidate well, that is another matter entirely.

You'll see RW conservatives refer to that ""rapist Bill Clinton" in spite of the fact he has never been tried and convicted of any such crime.
He's been accused, but not tried. So yes, he's innocent until proven otherwise. However, he's been caught lying a lot on this issue in the media, which does nothing to bolster his innocence on the matter.

Is he a rapists? I have no f#cking clue. I cant call him that without it being proven. However, if i had teenage or adult daughters, i'd be very concerned about them being around the likes of Mr. Clinton or Mr. Moore.
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Old November 26th, 2017, 10:39 AM   #13
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In Moore's case in particular, the number of accusers and the number of corroborating witnesses, when combined with the legal anomaly of the statute of limitations makes the court of public opinion a valid venue for establishing his fitness to be a Senator.

In this case it shouldn't be necessary as it has twice been decided in courts that he shit on the constitution but ...
Here's the problem then that needs to be cleared up. Why is this applying to Moore now and not Clinton then. He had many women accusing him of sexual misdeeds in the past as a state representative of Arkansas and into the time of his candidacy and terms of office as President.

Why did he get a pass and certain others don't? Until this is addressed, anything said by one side to the other doesn't mean shit and everyone likes wasting their breaths, logic be damned! Or they just like to be trolled. I don't know which?

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Old November 26th, 2017, 11:19 AM   #14
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Here's the problem then that needs to be cleared up. Why is this applying to Moore now and not Clinton then. He had many women accusing him of sexual misdeeds in the past as a state representative of Arkansas and into the time of his candidacy and terms of office as President.

Why did he get a pass and certain others don't? Until this is addressed, anything said by one side to the other doesn't mean shit and everyone likes wasting their breaths, logic be damned! Or they just like to be trolled. I don't know which?

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The Clinton situation was consensual. That and the whole informed consent thing makes a big difference. I don't remember anyone saying he was pure as the driven snow, but there is a concept of making the punishment fit the crime.

The accusations against Clinton from other than Monica weren't corroborated anywhere near where the Moore situation was.

Equally well, why didn't you include the Republican President in your post? I think there's more smoke there.

Clinton didn't get a pass. But the Republican President did. In the case of Clinton, the court of public opinion knew that Monica was somewhere between an eager and aggressive participant. He justifiably got done for lying. And he came down in the esteem of many people.

But equating his actions to Moore's is an inaccuracy.
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Are you completely out of your mind????
WTF does it matter what the Bible OR the Koran OR the Catholic church says on the matter? The U.S. is NOT a fucking theocracy, the only thing that matters is what our secular laws say on the matter.
So, here you have it:

You worship a government god - so you have a religion. Our courts have stated that secularism has the same effect as a religion.

"Senior District Judge Ancer Haggerty of the federal district court ruled in favor of Holden in order to exercise his constitutional right to form a humanist study group. Haggerty ruled that Holden’s constitutional rights were violated under the First and Fifth Amendments. In his ruling, he moved to recognize secular humanism as a religion for “Establishment Clause” purposes. Under the Establishment Clause, Haggerty’s rationale is that secular humanism must be able to enjoy the same liberties as other religious organizations because it is a constitutional principle that no religion shall be established above others as a state religion."

Federal Court Rules 'Secular Humanism' a Religion, Extends Equal Protection Rights to Atheists | Christian News Network

Virtually every point the left has been trying to make on this issue is consistent with the Humanist Manifesto. So, Christians say that we are NOT a theocracy; however, our foundational principles are predicated on Christianity. Hollywood maintains a totally secularist (humanist) America and no God. So, under Hollywood's reasoning we have a state religion since none other can be considered.
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The Clinton situation was consensual. That and the whole informed consent thing makes a big difference. I don't remember anyone saying he was pure as the driven snow, but there is a concept of making the punishment fit the crime.

The accusations against Clinton from other than Monica weren't corroborated anywhere near where the Moore situation was.

Equally well, why didn't you include the Republican President in your post? I think there's more smoke there.

Clinton didn't get a pass. But the Republican President did. In the case of Clinton, the court of public opinion knew that Monica was somewhere between an eager and aggressive participant. He justifiably got done for lying. And he came down in the esteem of many people.

But equating his actions to Moore's is an inaccuracy.

And you think we're only talking about Lewinski? Tell me, if we drug a one hundred dollar bill through your trailer park would we attract one of your female relatives?
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The Clinton situation was consensual. That and the whole informed consent thing makes a big difference. I don't remember anyone saying he was pure as the driven snow, but there is a concept of making the punishment fit the crime.

The accusations against Clinton from other than Monica weren't corroborated anywhere near where the Moore situation was.
Non Corroboration? By whom, the media only? Or were they discounted and ignored ny the media for a long time because it didn't fit he narrative then crafted around Clinton? Now i am hearing they (his supporters) are having second thoughts because look at who benefitted from such logic is now in the white house because none of this has been corroborated.

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Equally well, why didn't you include the Republican President in your post? I think there's more smoke there.
Why? Because I'm part of the vast RW conspiracy. Seriously, i forgot.

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Clinton didn't get a pass. But the Republican President did. In the case of Clinton, the court of public opinion knew that Monica was somewhere between an eager and aggressive participant. He justifiably got done for lying. And he came down in the esteem of many people.
Clinton and Trump are two sides of he same coin who traveled in the same circles, until it wasn't politically convenient for either.

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But equating his actions to Moore's is an inaccuracy.
People can't have it both ways. Either this is the type of crap we want to represent us (Well not for you) or we can simply demand a better standard in those who represent us.

My money is on this is how we want to be represented by the crappiest shit from both sides because of tribal divisions.

That's not good enough for me. I suffer from the delusion that we're smarter than this.
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The Clinton situation was consensual. That and the whole informed consent thing makes a big difference. I don't remember anyone saying he was pure as the driven snow, but there is a concept of making the punishment fit the crime.

The accusations against Clinton from other than Monica weren't corroborated anywhere near where the Moore situation was.

Equally well, why didn't you include the Republican President in your post? I think there's more smoke there.

Clinton didn't get a pass. But the Republican President did. In the case of Clinton, the court of public opinion knew that Monica was somewhere between an eager and aggressive participant. He justifiably got done for lying. And he came down in the esteem of many people.

But equating his actions to Moore's is an inaccuracy.
YOU'RE giving Clinton a pass. Let's talk about ethics. A lady who slept with her college professor at 18 (the "legal" age by law) writes this:

"That's the thing about abuses of power — you can consent to be in an unequal relationship, but that consent doesn't matter. The 30+ year age difference, his position at the college, his authority over your education, all make your consent invalid."

https://www.xojane.com/sex/affair-wi...lege-professor

So, now at the end of the day, feminists won't argue the age issue, but the difference in ages and the position of the male. Monica Lewinsky was only 22 when the Clinton affair started and, in retrospect, Monica Lewinsky will now argue that she was not emotionally mature enough to handle the affair:

"I fell in love with my boss in a 22-year-old sort of a way,"

Monica Lewinsky: I was in love with Bill Clinton - Telegraph

The secularists (humanists) have decided that 18 is the age of majority. Yet on college campuses it is considered unacceptable for 18 year olds to have sex with their students because the student is subject to being taken advantage of by virtue of the college professor's position of authority.

With Bill Clinton he was able to take advantage of a 22 year old who now complains because she feels she was taken advantage of at 22. And you can't say that the principle (regarding college professors) is a stretch here. The president is one of the most powerful authority figures in the world.

If we're looking for a concrete and non-partisan way to put a qualitative and quantitative value on this, I'd rely on the medical / mental health community.

"According to recent findings, the human brain does not reach full maturity until at least the mid-20s. (See J. Giedd in References.) The specific changes that follow young adulthood are not yet well studied, but it is known that they involve increased myelination and continued adding and pruning of neurons. As a number of researchers have put it, "the rental car companies have it right." The brain isn't fully mature at 16, when we are allowed to drive, or at 18, when we are allowed to vote, or at 21, when we are allowed to drink, but closer to 25, when we are allowed to rent a car."

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Non Corroboration? By whom, the media only? Or were they discounted and ignored ny the media for a long time because it didn't fit he narrative then crafted around Clinton? Now i am hearing they (his supporters) are having second thoughts because look at who benefitted from such logic is now in the white house because none of this has been corroborated.



Why? Because I'm part of the vast RW conspiracy. Seriously, i forgot.



Clinton and Trump are two sides of he same coin who traveled in the same circles, until it wasn't politically convenient for either.



People can't have it both ways. Either this is the type of crap we want to represent us (Well not for you) or we can simply demand a better standard in those who represent us.

My money is on this is how we want to be represented by the crappiest shit from both sides because of tribal divisions.

That's not good enough for me. I suffer from the delusion that we're smarter than this.
Fine, I totally back your decision that you will never ever vote for Bill Clinton again. But, were you a citizen of Alabama, would you vote for Moore?

Whataboutism strikes again it appears to me. Clinton is the past, the Republican President and Moore are the present.
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