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Old November 26th, 2017, 11:53 AM   #21
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Here's the problem then that needs to be cleared up. Why is this applying to Moore now and not Clinton then. He had many women accusing him of sexual misdeeds in the past as a state representative of Arkansas and into the time of his candidacy and terms of office as President.

Why did he get a pass and certain others don't? Until this is addressed, anything said by one side to the other doesn't mean shit and everyone likes wasting their breaths, logic be damned! Or they just like to be trolled. I don't know which?

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Let me clear this up for you and start with "you're asking the wrong question(s)".

This "issue" sexual assault/molestation/harassment started LONG LONG before Bill Clinton and YET all we hear about is "Bill did it too". So the question is WHY have we as a society allowed this sexual perversion and power trip to continue? The answer: Cover it up.

When the debate starts about Roy Moore, do you EVER hear anyone compare Moore (or Clinton) to Ike? JFK? LBJ? FDR? Jefferson? Harding? Did they get a pass??
As one journalist said: Long before JFK and Bill Clinton, America’s presidents had a long tradition of having a little something on the side. It seems that a secret lover(s) is an American pastime right up there with apple pie.

AND obviously it's not just presidents--it's MEN--in general. History instructs us that for countless men, the ability to possess women sexually is not a spoil of power; it’s the point of power.
What’s really remarkable is that ANY OF US (women) are being believed. If every woman who had ever been fondled or pinched or patted or harassed or raped started talking??? You'd have an avalanche of accusations and stories.
We women don't usually have police reports or rape kits or witnesses or even physical evidence, but we've got plenty of stories.

Did anyone believe Anita Hill? NOPE. Did anyone believe ME...in 1968? NOPE.

But then something kind of amazing happened. Along came Bubba Clinton--and BTW--he did NOT get a pass. Suddenly a couple of women were....believed! WOW! But they were still slut-shamed. Clinton was the tipping point, ever so slowly.

Which brings us to today. Who believes who and when?
There are so many cases, but let's start with Larry Nassar. Between 1998 and 2015 Dr. Nassar molested at least 125 girls, while he worked for USA Gymnastics and Michigan State University. Coaches have resigned. Lawsuits are pending. Why? Because even after speaking up and providing evidence the girls were silenced by teammates and leadership organizations. Nassar was finally tried and convicted. He's about to serve 25 years in prison.

Cosby supporters claimed his innocence until the body count was up to about 30. It now stands at over 50. He probably won't spend a minute in jail.

Moore supporters want proof....of something that happened decades ago. They claim his innocence. I think we're up to 7 women who have now stepped forward AND security guards AND police officers who claim they were warned about Moore. How many more will it take? 20? 30?

AND then Franken, Weinstein, Affleck, Baker, Besh, HW Bush, Louis C.K., Conyers, Halperin, Piven, Price, Rose.......see what I mean about an avalanche, but WHEN will the public start to believe us??

2 out of 3 assaults go unreported. Maybe now you know why.
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Old November 26th, 2017, 12:09 PM   #22
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Fine, I totally back your decision that you will never ever vote for Bill Clinton again. But, were you a citizen of Alabama, would you vote for Moore?

Whataboutism strikes again it appears to me. Clinton is the past, the Republican President and Moore are the present.
No. I think your missing the point i am trying too make. Moore and Trump are political by products of 90's logic.
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Old November 26th, 2017, 12:24 PM   #23
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No. I think your missing the point i am trying too make. Moore and Trump are political by products of 90's logic.
Expand on that please.
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So, here you have it:

You worship a government god - so you have a religion. Our courts have stated that secularism has the same effect as a religion.

"Senior District Judge Ancer Haggerty of the federal district court ruled in favor of Holden in order to exercise his constitutional right to form a humanist study group. Haggerty ruled that Holden’s constitutional rights were violated under the First and Fifth Amendments. In his ruling, he moved to recognize secular humanism as a religion for “Establishment Clause” purposes. Under the Establishment Clause, Haggerty’s rationale is that secular humanism must be able to enjoy the same liberties as other religious organizations because it is a constitutional principle that no religion shall be established above others as a state religion."

Federal Court Rules 'Secular Humanism' a Religion, Extends Equal Protection Rights to Atheists | Christian News Network

Virtually every point the left has been trying to make on this issue is consistent with the Humanist Manifesto. So, Christians say that we are NOT a theocracy; however, our foundational principles are predicated on Christianity. Hollywood maintains a totally secularist (humanist) America and no God. So, under Hollywood's reasoning we have a state religion since none other can be considered.
I repeat, have you completely lost your mind?
What on earth would give you the idea I "worship a government God?"
The United States is most certainly NOT a fucking theocracy.
What exactly is your problem with my statement?
Do not TELL me what my "reasoning" is, do not TELL what I worship.
My post you are, in theory at least, answering it there for all to see. What in it is untrue or inaccurate? Stop talking shit about what you THINK or ASSUME I meant and deal with what I actually said, you know as in reality.
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He's been accused, but not tried. So yes, he's innocent until proven otherwise. However, he's been caught lying a lot on this issue in the media, which does nothing to bolster his innocence on the matter.

Is he a rapists? I have no f#cking clue. I cant call him that without it being proven. However, if i had teenage or adult daughters, i'd be very concerned about them being around the likes of Mr. Clinton or Mr. Moore.
Bill Clinton, at no time, was never even accused of being sexually involved with minors, not ever by anyone.
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Priceless, the pot calling the kettle black
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Priceless, the pot calling the kettle black
No idea who you are talking about or which post.
Please clarify if you want some sort of response or answer.
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No. I think your missing the point i am trying too make. Moore and Trump are political by products of 90's logic.
In other words, it's somebody else's fault, ANYBODY's EXCEPT Trump & Moore.
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In other words, it's somebody else's fault, ANYBODY's EXCEPT Trump & Moore.
Got it!
OMG! Really? Use your noodle. I KNOW without a doubt you're smarter than this!
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Let me clear this up for you and start with "you're asking the wrong question(s)".

This "issue" sexual assault/molestation/harassment started LONG LONG before Bill Clinton and YET all we hear about is "Bill did it too". So the question is WHY have we as a society allowed this sexual perversion and power trip to continue? The answer: Cover it up.

When the debate starts about Roy Moore, do you EVER hear anyone compare Moore (or Clinton) to Ike? JFK? LBJ? FDR? Jefferson? Harding? Did they get a pass??
As one journalist said: Long before JFK and Bill Clinton, America’s presidents had a long tradition of having a little something on the side. It seems that a secret lover(s) is an American pastime right up there with apple pie.

AND obviously it's not just presidents--it's MEN--in general. History instructs us that for countless men, the ability to possess women sexually is not a spoil of power; it’s the point of power.
What’s really remarkable is that ANY OF US (women) are being believed. If every woman who had ever been fondled or pinched or patted or harassed or raped started talking??? You'd have an avalanche of accusations and stories.
We women don't usually have police reports or rape kits or witnesses or even physical evidence, but we've got plenty of stories.

Did anyone believe Anita Hill? NOPE. Did anyone believe ME...in 1968? NOPE.

But then something kind of amazing happened. Along came Bubba Clinton--and BTW--he did NOT get a pass. Suddenly a couple of women were....believed! WOW! But they were still slut-shamed. Clinton was the tipping point, ever so slowly.

Which brings us to today. Who believes who and when?
There are so many cases, but let's start with Larry Nassar. Between 1998 and 2015 Dr. Nassar molested at least 125 girls, while he worked for USA Gymnastics and Michigan State University. Coaches have resigned. Lawsuits are pending. Why? Because even after speaking up and providing evidence the girls were silenced by teammates and leadership organizations. Nassar was finally tried and convicted. He's about to serve 25 years in prison.

Cosby supporters claimed his innocence until the body count was up to about 30. It now stands at over 50. He probably won't spend a minute in jail.

Moore supporters want proof....of something that happened decades ago. They claim his innocence. I think we're up to 7 women who have now stepped forward AND security guards AND police officers who claim they were warned about Moore. How many more will it take? 20? 30?

AND then Franken, Weinstein, Affleck, Baker, Besh, HW Bush, Louis C.K., Conyers, Halperin, Piven, Price, Rose.......see what I mean about an avalanche, but WHEN will the public start to believe us??

2 out of 3 assaults go unreported. Maybe now you know why.
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