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Old February 2nd, 2018, 04:43 AM   #61
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Naaaahhhh sorry. Trump represents everything the evangelicals SAY they hate. Everything they SAY shows a LACK OF CHARACTER. Everything they SAY DISQUALIFIES a candidate from office. Yet millions of them turned around and voted for one of the most morally compromised people to occupy the office in decades. They put their politics ahead of their religion.
Reported today on yahoo news. Someone told Trump he is the best president ever to occupy the white house. Trump looking into carving his head on Mount Rushmore.
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Reported today on yahoo news. Someone told Trump he is the best president ever to occupy the white house. Trump looking into carving his head on Mount Rushmore.
A tap on the hollow rock would collapse it!
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A tap on the hollow rock would collapse it!
There is a place to carve it. The west face of Mount Rushmore has a round and giant outcrop of granite. However, that has a lot of cracks and fissures and why Borgman (my spelling error) did not use it. Trump will look west and see the uncompleted giant carved statue in granite of Chief Crazy Horse.
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Let's be accurate. Just 24 percent of them voted for Obama in 2008, and even fewer ― 21 percent ― voted for him in 2012. Among white evangelicals who said they attended worship services at least weekly, support for the 44th president was even lower.

What percentage of blacks christians voted republican?
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Naaaahhhh sorry. Trump represents everything the evangelicals SAY they hate. Everything they SAY shows a LACK OF CHARACTER. Everything they SAY DISQUALIFIES a candidate from office. Yet millions of them turned around and voted for one of the most morally compromised people to occupy the office in decades. They put their politics ahead of their religion.[/QUOTE

Good thing he is running the country and not the Church then huh, make up your mind, either we should or shouldn't consider someone's beliefs. He said he is changed I believe him!

I and the other more liberal members of the board have NOT spent the last couple of decades ranting and raving about the sexual peccadilloes of politicians, THAT WOULD BE YOU BIBLE THUMPING CONSERVATIVES !!!

I didn't care that Clinton got a blow job in the oval office, THAT WOULD BE YOU BIBLE THUMPING CONSERVATIVES !!!

I have NEVER said that a sexual indiscretion should DISQUALIFY a candidate from office, THAT WOULD BE YOU BIBLE THUMPING CONSERVATIVES !!!

I have never said that a sexual affair PROVED a lack of judgement or character, THAT WOULD BE YOU BIBLE THUMPING CONSERVATIVES !!!

For decades YOU and those like you have INSISTED that ANY HINT of sexual impropriety AUTOMATICALLY DISQUALIFIED ANY CANDIDATE FOR PUBLIC OFFICE !!!

BUT NOW YOU'RE CHANGING YOUR TUNE !! Now suddenly having the morals of an alley cat is perfectly acceptable to evangelicals Christians !!!! ??????

HYPOCRITE !!!!!
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I and the other more liberal members of the board have NOT spent the last couple of decades ranting and raving about the sexual peccadilloes of politicians, THAT WOULD BE YOU BIBLE THUMPING CONSERVATIVES !!!

I didn't care that Clinton got a blow job in the oval office, THAT WOULD BE YOU BIBLE THUMPING CONSERVATIVES !!!

I have NEVER said that a sexual indiscretion should DISQUALIFY a candidate from office, THAT WOULD BE YOU BIBLE THUMPING CONSERVATIVES !!!

I have never said that a sexual affair PROVED a lack of judgement or character, THAT WOULD BE YOU BIBLE THUMPING CONSERVATIVES !!!

For decades YOU and those like you have INSISTED that ANY HINT of sexual impropriety AUTOMATICALLY DISQUALIFIED ANY CANDIDATE FOR PUBLIC OFFICE !!!

BUT NOW YOU'RE CHANGING YOUR TUNE !! Now suddenly having the morals of an alley cat is perfectly acceptable to evangelicals Christians !!!! ??????

HYPOCRITE !!!!!
He is a changed man! Were he still living that way I would have a problem.

Is Bible Thumper supposed to be an Insult, if so save your time, I take it as a compliment!
2 Timothy 4:2 New King James Version (NKJV)

2 Preach the word! Be ready in season and out of season. Convince, rebuke, exhort, with all longsuffering and teaching.

1 Peter 3:15 New King James Version (NKJV)
15 But sanctify the Lord God[a] in your hearts, and always be ready to give a defense to everyone who asks you a reason for the hope that is in you, with meekness and fear;

Also does caps mean you are yelling
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He is a changed man! Were he still living that way I would have a problem.

Is Bible Thumper supposed to be an Insult, if so save your time, I take it as a compliment!
2 Timothy 4:2 New King James Version (NKJV)

2 Preach the word! Be ready in season and out of season. Convince, rebuke, exhort, with all longsuffering and teaching.

1 Peter 3:15 New King James Version (NKJV)
15 But sanctify the Lord God[a] in your hearts, and always be ready to give a defense to everyone who asks you a reason for the hope that is in you, with meekness and fear;

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You see my friend, I do not for an instant believe he has changed. He has cheated on all three of his wives. He has betrayed his marriages. He has admitted sexual assault. And then there are the comments about his own daughter.

"I’ve said that if Ivanka weren’t my daughter, perhaps I’d be dating her.”

“Yeah, she’s really something, and what a beauty, that one. If I weren’t happily married and, ya know, her father….”

And then there's this real gem “Is it wrong to be more sexually attracted to your own daughter than your wife?”
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White Evangelicals, This is Why People Are Through With You


I doubt that any white evangelicals will take the time to read this - or even attempt to grasp the truths within the text.
But, it is all true for those of us who are through with you. Christians, Jews, Atheists, people of all religions - we're just through with you.
Hopefully, you'll read this and think about it with an open mind ... though I seriously (and sadly) doubt that it is possible for you to do so.

I'm not going to cut and paste any of it. Just give the link.

It's put into a short few paragraphs everything that so many of us have spent hours and hours and hundreds of thousands of words attempting to get across plainly and cleanly.

https://johnpavlovitz.com/2018/01/24...licals-people/
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https://johnpavlovitz.com/2018/01/24...licals-people/
I haven't read it either, but if you really wanted white evangelicals to read something, you would have chosen a different title for your thread.
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You see my friend, I do not for an instant believe he has changed. He has cheated on all three of his wives. He has betrayed his marriages. He has admitted sexual assault. And then there are the comments about his own daughter.

"I’ve said that if Ivanka weren’t my daughter, perhaps I’d be dating her.”

“Yeah, she’s really something, and what a beauty, that one. If I weren’t happily married and, ya know, her father….”

And then there's this real gem “Is it wrong to be more sexually attracted to your own daughter than your wife?”
I have watched drug riddled homeless have their lives changed by Christ, pardon if I hold out hope.

He complimented his daughter, albeit in a less than ideal way, but as you well know he gets carried away with his words. Did you want him to say she fell out of the ugly tree and hit every branch coming down?
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I have watched drug riddled homeless have their lives changed by Christ, pardon if I hold out hope.

He complimented his daughter, albeit in a less than ideal way, but as you well know he gets carried away with his words. Did you want him to say she fell out of the ugly tree and hit every branch coming down?
I'm not saying people can't change. I used to smoke and after quitting tobacco became morbidly obese. But like most people, I didn't change until I was faced with my own mortality. It was literally a fix it or die situation. I, like many people, didn't need or use religion to help me achieve my goals. However, having been thru the struggle and knowing how difficult it is, especially when a major component of your support system suddenly bails on you, I would never tell someone else they shouldn't avail themselves of any and every support mechanism at their disposal, including religion.

Trump has never had a real "mortality moment" in his exceedingly plush and privileged life. Tho that may be about to change now that Melania knows about the porn star and the pay off !!! LOL

No, Trump is classic, text book, narcissistic personality disorder. His handlers may sit on him and keep the rhetoric toned down a bit. But people like the, really and truly never change.

You continued full voiced defense of Trump still perfectly illustrates my original point. Had Obama had even the slightest hint of sexual misconduct you and every one of your evangelical friends would have been howling for his head on a platter. Were any other candidate to have had such a morally ambiguous history you and those like you would have practically crucified them on the alter of public opinion.

But in Trumps case you seem surprisingly willing to engage in equivocation, situational morality, or simply moral relativism. Accepting in Trump things you would normally find so morally repugnant you would never consider in a different candidate.
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