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Old February 19th, 2018, 04:11 AM   #42
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That is one of the most ridiculous things i have read in some time. At first i thought that you had written it. Then i saw the link. Wow, just wow.

You people are nuts.


This coming from a guy who 1) Wants to abolish the U.S. government--completely. 2) Wants 330 million people to self-govern. 3) Wants laws and rules set aside. 4) Adheres to the ideology that only the strong should survive.

AND you think someone else is nuts??
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Old February 19th, 2018, 05:50 AM   #43
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This coming from a guy who 1) Wants to abolish the U.S. government--completely. 2) Wants 330 million people to self-govern. 3) Wants laws and rules set aside. 4) Adheres to the ideology that only the strong should survive.

AND you think someone else is nuts??
It is so easy to use his unhinged words against him.......LOL
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Old February 19th, 2018, 08:11 AM   #44
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This coming from a guy who 1) Wants to abolish the U.S. government--completely. 2) Wants 330 million people to self-govern. 3) Wants laws and rules set aside. 4) Adheres to the ideology that only the strong should survive.

AND you think someone else is nuts??
I don't agree with Sabby on this part....But neither do I think it is nuts...My problem is who do you think you are to ordain who is nuts or not....You a trained psychiatrist??...or is it just your elitism showing through..??
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Old February 19th, 2018, 08:24 AM   #45
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What difference would it make?
Trump wasn't lying on the bed having them piss on him, that's a different episode, he was watching them piss.
If he's a germophobe probably from beyond splash range.

What we know is, Steele's contact told him about the video, and through a different source, it was confirmed that Trump stayed in that room, and housekeeping said there was a urine incident.

So it could have been anything....
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This coming from a guy who 1) Wants to abolish the U.S. government--completely. 2) Wants 330 million people to self-govern. 3) Wants laws and rules set aside. 4) Adheres to the ideology that only the strong should survive.

AND you think someone else is nuts??
Do you not understand anarchy even though it has been explained multiple times to you or are you being willfully obtuse in hopes to make a cheap shot, or are you just honestly that stupid?

Now there are some here that i do not give the benefit of the doubt to regarding intelligence (want a hint on a few of them see the "thank box" on your post) but you are not one of them. So i will bite. Let's completely derail this ridiculous thread into a discussion about anarchy.
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2. Why should one consider anarcho-capitalism?

First, there is the issue of self-ownership, as the abolitionists called it, or moral autonomy as the philosophers call it. Is your life your own moral purpose? Do you deny you owe obedience to anyone except by consent? In natural rights language: Do you have rights - moral claims to freedom of action? If you answer yes to any of these questions, then logic leads you to the position of philosophical anarchism.

The defining mark of the state is authority, the right to rule. The primary obligation of man is autonomy, the refusal to be ruled. It would seem, then, that there can be no resolution of the conflict between the autonomy of the individual and the putative authority of the state. Insofar as a man fulfills his obligation to make himself the author of his decisions, he will resist the state's claim to have authority over him. That is to say, he will deny that he has a duty to obey the laws of this state simply because they are the laws. In that sense, it would seem that anarchism is the only political doctrine consistent with the virtue of autonomy." - Robert Paul Wolff, In Defense of Anarchism.
A second more utilitarian reason is the dismal record of States. Considering all the war, genocide, slavery, and repression perpetrated by States through history, might humanity do better without this barbaric institution? As the young Edmund Burke wrote in the world's first anarchist essay (before he went conservative):

These Evils are not accidental. Whoever will take the pains to consider the Nature of Society, will find they result directly from its Constitution. For as Subordination, or in other Words, the Reciprocation of Tyranny, and Slavery, is requisite to support these Societies, the Interest, the Ambition, the Malice, or the Revenge, nay even the Whim and Caprice of one ruling Man among them, is enough to arm all the rest, without any private Views of their own, to the worst and blackest Purposes; and what is at once lamentable and ridiculous, these Wretches engage under those Banners with a Fury greater than if they were animated by Revenge for their own proper Wrongs - Edmund Burke, A Vindication of Natural Society.
That was written in 1756, long before modern weapons of mass destruction and long before 170 million civilian people were murdered by their own governments in the 20th century. That's just civilian deaths perpetrated by their own governments; it doesn't count the deaths due to enemy States, deaths of soldiers, dislocated refugees, and so on. To quote Rothbard, "If we look at the black record of mass murder, exploitation, and tyranny levied on society by governments over the ages, we need not be loath to abandon the Leviathan State and ... try freedom."

3. Do anarcho-capitalists favor chaos?
No. Anarcho-capitalists believe that a stateless society would be much more peaceful, harmonious, and prosperous than society under statism. We see life under States as chaotic - the insanity of war and the arbitrariness of government regulation and plunder. Anarcho-capitalists agree with the "father of anarchism" Pierre Proudhon: "Liberty is not the daughter but the mother of order," and his contemporary Frederic Bastiat, who wrote of the "natural harmony" of the market, that "natural and wise order that operates without our knowledge." ("Economic Harmonies")

4. Isn't anarcho-capitalism utopian?
No. Anarcho-capitalists tend to be pragmatic, and argue that, no matter how good or bad man is, he is better off in liberty. If men are good, then they need no rulers. If men are bad, then governments of men, composed of men, will also be bad - and probably worse, due to the State's amplification of coercive power. Most anarcho-capitalists think that some men are okay and some aren't; and there will always be some crime. We are not expecting any major change in human nature in that regard. Since utopianism by


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Old February 19th, 2018, 08:39 AM   #48
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What are the myths of statism?



8. What are the myths of statism?
The paradigm of statism divides the world into competing States, and men into subjects of those States. The State generally succeeds in buying the services of "court intellectuals" to convince the people that wise leadership is necessary, for their own good, inevitable, and at any rate better than any alternative. Here are some common myths:

We are the government.
This is perhaps the most insidious myth - a form of extreme victimhood. This Stateholm syndrome is a virulent form of Stockholm syndrome. This identification with the ruler is ubiquitous in statist societies. A person who's never been near a military jet might say, "we bombed Iraq" or "we are fighting to bring democracy." In fact, the ruling elite are making the decisions, and their milfare minions are doing the killing. It is very important to avoid using the slave we in speech, as it impairs critical thinking. Beware the ambiguous collective. It may takes practice to be instantly able to translate "Support our troops" to "support the ruler's hired goons."

The government acts for the common good.
There are problems with this vulgar utilitarian view. What is the common good? (No one agrees.) If we somehow knew the common good, how do we implement it? (No one knows.) Even if we implemented a plan, how do we know it would have the desired results? (We don't, and coercively imposed social planning often has substantial perverse consequences.) There are also institutional objections to the myth. Why would the State act for the common good rather than the interests of the rulers. The rulers make the decisions, and have incentives like all men. Public choice theory is a more reliable preditor of political behavior than naive faith in Pollyanna pluralism.

Government is the only way to solve problem X.
This is the fallacy of government solipotence - the erroneous belief that only the State can solve society's problems. In fact, every valid service that governments now perform can be done more morally, and usually better, by voluntary means. Virtually every current government service has been done, at some time in history, by voluntary means. Private roads, private courts, police, and legal systems, cheap private health insurance, mail delivery, quality control certification, wildlife preservation, and so on have all been done privately.

State and society are are the same, or at least closely allied.
Similar to myth #1, this is an attempt to obscure the important difference between society and State. Society is the sum total of all voluntary human interactions; the State is the institution of monopoly force and legal plunder. They are mortal enemies. The more power government gets, the less power society has. The struggle between liberty and authority is a zero-sum game.

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So can you give an example of a successful anarcho-capitalist system that exists anywhere in the world today?

In the Past?
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Old February 19th, 2018, 09:56 AM   #50
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So can you give an example of a successful anarcho-capitalist system that exists anywhere in the world today?

In the Past?
Throw in "for more than 3 years". Apparently in Italy during WWII and in Russia, again long ago but I don't remember when, there were small pockets.

This was brought up by a black poster who was a member quite some time ago.

I investigated the Italian one and it had a de facto dictator. I suspect you would find the same thing in the Russian one.

Of significance, the Italian one did nothing in terms of any infrastructure.
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