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Old February 19th, 2018, 02:25 PM   #21
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That's right wing mythology.
There was always a cost, the guy who let Bin Laden go, after he was the WTC Bin Laden, was his old business partner...

Please read.

Bill Clinton and the missed opportunities to kill Osama bin Laden

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/...=.c16fa1581c62

Also see: http://www.latimes.com/nation/nation...801-story.html
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Old February 19th, 2018, 02:31 PM   #22
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Please read.

Bill Clinton and the missed opportunities to kill Osama bin Laden

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/...=.c16fa1581c62

Also see: Bill Clinton: 'I could have killed' Osama bin Laden in 1998
Did you read your links, they debunk the GOP mythology....
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Old February 19th, 2018, 02:46 PM   #23
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Did you read your links, they debunk the GOP mythology....


There is no "GOP mythology", that is you deflecting from facts, and doing poorly at it too. Unless Bill Clinton is part of this GOP mythology.

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A day before Sept. 11, 2001, former President Bill Clinton told an audience that he could have had Osama bin Laden killed, but chose not to, because an attack could have endangered innocent women and children in Afghanistan.

Speaking to businessmen in Australia, Clinton said he had a shot at Bin Laden, whose Al Qaeda organization would launch attacks the next day that left about 3,000 dead at the World Trade Center, Washington, D.C. and in western Pennsylvania.

"I'm just saying, you know, if I were Osama bin Laden ... He's a very smart guy. I spent a lot of time thinking about him. And I nearly got him once," Clinton said in the audio recording from the meeting, according to a Sky News Australia report this week.

"I nearly got him. And I could have killed him, but I would have to destroy a little town called Kandahar in Afghanistan and kill 300 innocent women and children, and then I would have been no better than him."
His excuse rings hollow.
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Old February 19th, 2018, 02:51 PM   #24
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More "GOP mythology", this from NBC News. LOL

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NBC News has obtained, exclusively, extraordinary secret video, shot by the U.S. government. It illustrates an enormous opportunity the Clinton administration had to kill or capture bin Laden. Critics call it a missed opportunity.

In the fall of 2000, in Afghanistan, unmanned, unarmed spy planes called Predators flew over known al-Qaida training camps. The pictures that were transmitted live to CIA headquarters show al-Qaida terrorists firing at targets, conducting military drills and then scattering on cue through the desert.

Also, that fall, the Predator captured even more extraordinary pictures — a tall figure in flowing white robes. Many intelligence analysts believed then and now it is bin Laden.

Why does U.S. intelligence believe it was bin Laden? NBC showed the video to William Arkin, a former intelligence officer and now military analyst for NBC. “You see a tall man…. You see him surrounded by or at least protected by a group of guards.”
http://www.nbcnews.com/id/4540958/ns...opportunities/
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Old February 19th, 2018, 02:54 PM   #25
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Clinton is not president. This thread has nothing to do with him. That is off topic. Don the Con is the president. He is the one that is violating the law meant to levy sanctions on Russia. He is the one that refuses to take the necessary steps to prevent Russian election interference in the 2018 midterms. To all Dems; quit allowing this guy to deflect this thread.
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Clinton is not president. This thread has nothing to do with him. That is off topic. Don the Con is the president. He is the one that is violating the law meant to levy sanctions on Russia. He is the one that refuses to take the necessary steps to prevent Russian election interference in the 2018 midterms. To all Dems; quit allowing this guy to deflect this thread.

True dat about Clinton failing to get bin Laden.

But the thread is dealt with as there is no dereliction as Congress gave the President freedom to act, "discretion". So he is not "violating the law", now is he.


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Yet Congress wrote into the law a provision granting the president discretion in its enforcement. The president may waive sanctions if he determines that it is in the United States’ national security interests to do so. And, indeed, the State Department offered such a justification yesterday.

So Trump isn’t breaking the law by declining to enforce sanctions against Russia. He’s within his rights to do so.
https://www.vox.com/mischiefs-of-fac...utional-crisis

So we can agree on this.

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National security adviser H.R. McMaster is in the news — and apparently in the presidential doghouse — for stating the obvious: that evidence of Russian interference in the 2016 election is “now really incontrovertible.” So it is appropriate to take, as this column’s theme, the title of McMaster’s book on the Vietnam war, “Dereliction of Duty.”

McMaster was writing about military leaders’ failure to stand up to presidents who insisted on pursuing an unwinnable war. Now, in the White House in which McMaster serves, the dereliction of duty starts at the top. And, as the past several days have shown, President Trump’s failure is dereliction on a grand, unprecedented scale: We find ourselves at war without a commander in chief; in national mourning without a consoler in chief; and in political gridlock without a negotiator in chief.

The first is the most appalling and most terrifying. “Incontrovertible,” McMaster said, and so it is for anyone who bothers to read the indictment of 13 Russians for running a massive operation not only to disrupt the election but to do so to Trump’s benefit. But of course Trump never has and apparently never will be able to accept this. Is it his fragile ego that cannot tolerate the implicit challenge to his legitimacy? Is it something more sinister?

This much is clear: For whatever reason, Trump is unwilling to accept the reality of what happened in 2016 and, more alarming, unwilling to do his duty to seek to prevent it from happening again. We are at war with an enemy plotting to undermine our democracy, and our supposed leader, far from working to halt this, seems determined to ignore it. Where is Trump’s outrage now that the evidence against Russia is public, not that he needed to wait for that? It is invisible.

Instead, Trump’s anger is directed against McMaster, for omitting the untrue party line: “General McMaster forgot to say that the results of the 2016 election were not impacted or changed by the Russians and that the only Collusion was between Russia and Crooked H, the DNC and the Dems. Remember the Dirty Dossier, Uranium, Speeches, Emails and the Podesta Company!”

Trump’s anger is directed against the democratic institutions that have rallied to discover what happened and seek to prevent its recurrence: “If it was the GOAL of Russia to create discord, disruption and chaos within the U.S. then, with all of the Committee Hearings, Investigations and Party hatred, they have succeeded beyond their wildest dreams. They are laughing their asses off in Moscow. Get smart America!”

Laughing their asses off in Moscow, indeed. There has been not one word, not one syllable of presidential anger directed toward the people who did this.

But there is no depth to which Trump will not sink in defense of the only thing he holds dear: himself. And so, the nation witnessed a tweet in which the president, a leader to whom the country once looked for healing in times of national tragedy, instead used innocent victims, high school children mowed down in their own school, to make his bogus, self-interested point: “Very sad that the FBI missed all of the many signals sent out by the Florida school shooter. This is not acceptable. They are spending too much time trying to prove Russian collusion with the Trump campaign - there is no collusion. Get back to the basics and make us all proud!”

Did he? Did he really use dead children to attack an investigation into his campaign and his conduct in office? Yes, he did. This is a person devoid of empathy. He can experience the world only through the prism of his own ego. He can read the requisite words from a teleprompter — “To every parent, teacher, and child who is hurting so badly, we are here for you — whatever you need, whatever we can do, to ease your pain” — but he is incapable of feeling them. No one who imagines the shattered heart of a grieving parent could have written that despicable tweet.

Finally, a word about the “dreamers,” and the impending, unnecessary tragedy of Trump’s own making. He wanted a “bill of love” to protect the dreamers, Trump told us. “I will be signing it,” he said of any congressional deal to allow these promising innocents to remain. Trump broke the inadequate status quo for dreamers when he rescinded President Barack Obama’s Deferred Action for Childhood Arrivals order allowing them to stay. Then he failed to fix it. Then, with an unnecessarily belligerent and premature veto threat, Trump got in the way of lawmakers of good faith attempting a solution.

“Dereliction of duty” is not a strong enough term to describe this man’s abysmal performance.

by Ruth Marcus

Read More and Related Articles: https://www.washingtonpost.com/opini...pinions&wpmm=1
I never read Dereliction of Duty by McMaster but did read Conversations with the Enemy by Garwood. Oddly enough I found that book in a Middle School where I worked at. That book should be banned from the Public School System.
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True dat about Clinton failing to get bin Laden.

But the thread is dealt with as there is no dereliction as Congress gave the President freedom to act, "discretion". So he is not "violating the law", now is he.


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https://www.vox.com/mischiefs-of-fac...utional-crisis
Why do you want him to protect a country that attacked us ?
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Clinton is not president. This thread has nothing to do with him. That is off topic.
Bullshit..
.It is about Presidential Dereliction of Duty.....And Clinton was Derelict....Trump is not...
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Old February 19th, 2018, 03:19 PM   #30
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Why do you want him to protect a country that attacked us ?

BTW If Russia hacked the DNC, as people claimed as a fact more than a year ago, where are those indictments?

Anyway, glad we can agree that there is no "dereliction" as Congress gave the President discretion to act.

PS Obama knew about Russia meddling in 2014, why did he do nothing until after Hillary lost the 2016 election?

PPS We just killed and wounded hundreds of Russians in Syria. Should you not be celebrating? Did you not hear about that?
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