Political Forums  

Go Back   Defending The Truth Political Forum > Political Forum > Political Talk > Americas


Thanks Tree35Thanks
Reply
 
LinkBack Thread Tools Display Modes
Old February 19th, 2018, 05:18 PM   #41
Junior Member
 
AlyCat's Avatar
 
Join Date: Feb 2018
Location: US
Posts: 25
Quote:
Originally Posted by Camelot View Post
Clinton is not president. This thread has nothing to do with him. That is off topic. Don the Con is the president. He is the one that is violating the law meant to levy sanctions on Russia. He is the one that refuses to take the necessary steps to prevent Russian election interference in the 2018 midterms. To all Dems; quit allowing this guy to deflect this thread.
Just more whatabout-isms to distract from the point. easier than trying to follow along
AlyCat is offline  
Old February 19th, 2018, 05:21 PM   #42
Banned
 
Join Date: Feb 2018
Location: Web
Posts: 225
Quote:
Originally Posted by AlyCat View Post
Just more whatabout-isms to distract from the point. easier than trying to follow along

Except the thread is a lie. There is no "dereliction". Congress gave the President discretion in the matter. So there is your "follow along" y'all.
Thanks from Jimgorn
Mythbuster is offline  
Old February 19th, 2018, 05:37 PM   #43
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Jul 2014
Location: massachusetts
Posts: 11,134
Quote:
Originally Posted by Mythbuster View Post
Bill Clinton admitted he refused to pull the trigger. Is comprehension a problem?

Reagan? That was when Russia, you know RUSSIA?, invaded Afghanistan.
Huge comprehension problem, on your part...
goober is offline  
Old February 19th, 2018, 05:43 PM   #44
Senior Member
 
Twisted Sister's Avatar
 
Join Date: Sep 2015
Location: Brown Township, Ohio
Posts: 11,909
Trump is CIC and punish him under UCMJ Article 92, Failure to obey a lawful order also called a catch all article.
Twisted Sister is offline  
Old February 19th, 2018, 06:18 PM   #45
Banned
 
Join Date: Feb 2018
Location: Web
Posts: 225
Quote:
Originally Posted by goober View Post
Huge comprehension problem, on your part...


Yeah, you got nothin'.
Mythbuster is offline  
Old February 19th, 2018, 08:11 PM   #46
Senior Member
 
imaginethat's Avatar
 
Join Date: Oct 2010
Location: Western Slope, Colorado
Posts: 60,038
Quote:
Originally Posted by Jimgorn View Post
Bullshit..
.It is about Presidential Dereliction of Duty.....And Clinton was Derelict....Trump is not...
Bullshit back atcha.

The thread is about Trump's staggering dereliction of duty. He's done NOTHING to ensure Russians or other players cannot influence our elections. How damned long has it been known that many of our voting machines are totally hijackable?

You and your kin will say, whaddabout Bush, waddabout Obama. Yeah well, what about them, but the bigger question is: What about Trump?

And you DO excuse Trump for his dereliction of duty to preserve and protect our Constitution.
Thanks from Clara007
imaginethat is offline  
Old February 19th, 2018, 08:30 PM   #47
Senior Member
 
imaginethat's Avatar
 
Join Date: Oct 2010
Location: Western Slope, Colorado
Posts: 60,038
Quote:
Originally Posted by Mythbuster View Post
Yeah, you got nothin'.
Are we in a constitutional crisis owing to Trump's alleged dereliction of duty? From your link posted earlier:
There’s unfortunately no easy way to answer this question. Last year, Julia Azari and I wrote a post outlining what we saw as four main types of constitutional crises. These involved instances where 1) the Constitution was silent, 2) the Constitution was hopelessly vague, 3) the Constitution’s intent was clear but politically infeasible, and 4) institutions simply fail. Trump’s failure to enforce the expressed will of the law would seem to fall into category 4 — one branch of the federal government is defying another and running afoul of the law.

Yet that’s not the whole story. Yes, Congress’s intent was unusually clear with this law — to punish Russia for meddling in the 2016 American elections. Yet Congress wrote into the law a provision granting the president discretion in its enforcement. The president may waive sanctions if he determines that it is in the United States’ national security interests to do so. And, indeed, the State Department offered such a justification yesterday.
Obviously, that's where you stopped reading. It's hard to imagine how not imposing sanctions on Russia for election interference could be in our best interests. Continuing:
So Trump isn’t breaking the law by declining to enforce sanctions against Russia. He’s within his rights to do so. But this raises a further question: Can we be in a constitutional crisis even if no one has broken the law?

The answer is almost certainly yes. From what we can glean, Russia meddled with the election with the intent of helping Trump, or at the very least hurting Hillary Clinton. Trump himself publicly called for Russia’s assistance in discrediting Clinton during the campaign. A host of reporting suggests that Trump has longstanding business and personal ties to Russia’s leadership. His actions to shield Russia from American sanctions gives the appearance that he is protecting a foreign government to repay it for its help in electing him, and possibly to curry future favor with them.

The appearance of the American president having loyalty to a foreign adversary is dangerous and constitutes a form of crisis. Does this rise to the level of constitutional crisis? Not necessarily. After all, the political system has remedies for such situations. Investigations by Congress and the Justice Department can bring such problems to light, and, if the president is found to be compromised, he can be removed from office. All of this is consistent with the Constitution.

The problem comes back to the third type of constitutional crisis: What if the remedy is clear but the relevant people in government choose not to do their jobs for political purposes? That is, what if evidence makes it clear that Trump maintains loyalties to Russia to the detriment of the United States, but members of Congress fail to punish or remove him simply because his party controls that branch?
Stay tuned. Mueller will not present a half-baked investigative report. You may count on that.

Dereliction of duty may be the least of Trump's concerns. We'll see.
imaginethat is offline  
Old February 19th, 2018, 09:28 PM   #48
#freetommy
 
Sabcat's Avatar
 
Join Date: Dec 2013
Location: Earth
Posts: 27,108
Quote:
Originally Posted by imaginethat View Post
Bullshit back atcha.

The thread is about Trump's staggering dereliction of duty. He's done NOTHING to ensure Russians or other players cannot influence our elections. How damned long has it been known that many of our voting machines are totally hijackable?

You and your kin will say, whaddabout Bush, waddabout Obama. Yeah well, what about them, but the bigger question is: What about Trump?

And you DO excuse Trump for his dereliction of duty to preserve and protect our Constitution.
Yup. Better just turn the internet over to the feds. You know cuz Canadians have access to Facebook n stuff.


You guys are really falling for this stuff?
Thanks from caconservative and Jimgorn
Sabcat is offline  
Old February 19th, 2018, 11:28 PM   #49
Senior Member
 
imaginethat's Avatar
 
Join Date: Oct 2010
Location: Western Slope, Colorado
Posts: 60,038
Quote:
Originally Posted by Mythbuster View Post
Funny. And all the while spying on the Trump campaign.


Obama’s DHS Sec Says Administration Knew About Russian Hack, Waited To Tell Public For Fear Of Label As ‘Taking Sides

Johnson Waited On Talking About Russians | The Daily Caller


And where are the indictment for this hacking? That should have had a much higher priority than the Russian trolls who were indicted.
The importance of investigating foreign agents hacking into DNC computers doesn't quite match the priority of investigating foreign agents conducting election influence campaigns on a national level, not close.

And further: Every reason exists to believe the agents responsible for each are the same agents.
imaginethat is offline  
Old February 20th, 2018, 02:45 AM   #50
Senior Member
 
Nwolfe35's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jul 2008
Location: Virginia Beach, VA
Posts: 16,284
Quote:
Originally Posted by Sabcat View Post
Yup. Better just turn the internet over to the feds. You know cuz Canadians have access to Facebook n stuff.


You guys are really falling for this stuff?
Apparently you are falling for the BS Trump is selling.

The only question is do you actually believe it or are you just willing to throw the entire country under the bus to keep a Republican in power?
Nwolfe35 is online now  
Reply

  Defending The Truth Political Forum > Political Forum > Political Talk > Americas

Tags
dereliction, duty, staggering, trump



Thread Tools
Display Modes


Similar Threads
Thread Thread Starter Forum Replies Last Post
Staggering stat that no one talks about coke Current Events 0 November 12th, 2016 08:53 AM
Even in Government*-Run Prisons, the Profiteering off of Human Lives Is Staggering LongWinded Current Events 0 November 4th, 2015 01:21 PM
Dick Cheney’s staggering Iran hypocrisy: LongWinded Current Events 2 August 28th, 2015 01:25 PM
The Staggering Cost of Gun Violence LongWinded Gun Control 20 April 20th, 2015 09:55 AM


Facebook Twitter RSS Feed



Copyright © 2005-2013 Defending The Truth. All rights reserved.