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Old February 23rd, 2018, 05:36 PM   #11
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That is a great parody of something. Unfortunately it does not even begin to answer the question. Furthermore, it makes a lot of assumptions that liberals are responsible for everything you said. You would need to source that
In other words, he nailed you and your fishing expedition.
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Old February 23rd, 2018, 06:35 PM   #12
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(Social Security) By being forced to pay. Furthermore, generation x will be the first generation to receive less in benefits that they pay in. Yet under threat of people with guns coming to arrest you, a person is forced to participate. That is a imposition.
LOL!!! Nobody with guns ever did anything like that, and forced to pay? The majority WANT S.S. to be safe and to continue and most want tax changes to increase the revenue. So that is not an imposition and it certainly isn't a threat.



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(Alternative renewable energy) Now your just throwing out catch phrases. But, if it includes increasing the cost of electrical and gas services, and higher taxation, that is an imposition.
*"IF"*



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(National Healthcare) Does not exist in the United States. But if your going to increase taxes to do so, which every Socialist has said must happen, then that is an imposition.
Every socialist has said repeatedly that we pay twice what every other country pays per capita, and that we can do much better for much LESS. So you completely misrepresent socialists.



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(Higher minimum wage) Definitely an imposition on many small businesses and the employees as they get replaced by kiosks.
That wasn't the question or issue. The wording was "not in some form a direct imposition or threat of on the people" and I began my post by stating that "on the people" = public, collectively. So an imposition on some businesses is not what you specified in your OP. Stop changing mid-stream.



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(WSDEs) Who pays for it or how is it subsidized? Or, are you saying it should be imposed on all business? Either way, imposition
Learn something before you stick your foot in your mouth. Participation in WSDEs is always entirely voluntarty and paid for by the workers who make the choice.



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(Government-run prisons - end privatization) Which is cheaper to the tax payer? Increasing taxes to fund this would be an imposition.
It would cut frivolous imprisonment, pointless incarceration, and eliminate profits, and therefore reduce costs.



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(Public education only) Taking away education choice. Bigly imposition
Private education drains needed funds from public schools. That is your "imposition".



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(A state-owned bank in every state like the Bank of North Dakota) Taking away choice again
HAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!!! Having a state-owned bank to choose from INCREASES choice. Ask the people of N.D.



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(Ban all gifts and contributions to all politicians and campaigns above $500/household/year) How the fuck can you use the word ban and not say its creating an imposition?
How the fuck can you be serious? Our current campaign financing program imposes the will of the rich on all of us!!! I want to END that imposition.



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(End Citizens United) Elections have consequences. You favor deciding who can and cant donate to political entities.
That has nothing to do with the question you asked regarding imposition or threat.



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(End excessive profit and salaries associated with colleges and universities) I am not sure that is a liberal idea at all. I call that a maybe because I doubt you would find very many liberals who would agree with that
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(Set estate tax at 50% for all inheritance above $10 million) Death tax. How the hell is that no imposing on someone.
You asked about impositions "ON THE PEOPLE", not on any individuals. And the people want higher taxes on the rich.




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(Ban stock ownership of more than 10% of issued stock per person) Ban? Imposition
81% of stock shares is owned by less than 5% of the people. You asked about imposition "ON THE PEOPLE".



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(Add several new tax brackets with the top being an 80% tax on everything above $1 million/yr.)
Tax increase, that is imposing without a doubt.
You asked about imposition "ON THE PEOPLE", not on the .01% rich with huge incomes.





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(Ban lobbying by more than 1 person per business)
Ban
You asked about liberal ideas. Banning is an idea.




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(Ban law-writing/creation by anyone not in government)
Ban
You asked about liberal ideas. Banning is an idea.




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(Ban the A.L.E.C. and any orgs like it)
Ban anything we do not agree with
You asked about liberal ideas. Banning is an idea.




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(Treat Native Americans fairly, with respect, and provide them a pathway to better conditions.)
Treating people with respect is a liberal only idea? That is just BTFO
"BTFO"? But YTLYHSDIYM.
You didn't ask about "liberal only" and I don't see righties with this proposal.




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(Require the primary purpose and responsibility of all businesses be to contribute to society; end non-productive businesses that just make profits for the owners with nothing positive contributed)
Require? Fuck that is a big time imposition
The current assigned "primary purpose" of maximizing profits is a huge imposition on the people.




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(Ban non-organic, non-biodegradable pesticides and herbicides)
death tax now this. You hate farmers. Big time imposition
The health risks and ecological damage is a threat and imposition on the people.



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(I could go on and on. All these things contribute to the people, -not impose.)
How can you ban something, tell businesses what to do with their profits and say with a straight face that is not imposing on them?
It is irrelevant to your question. Remember? You asked us to "name one liberal idea or law that is not in some form a direct imposition or threat of on the people.


So I did more than you requested since you asked for "one idea". And you have trouble staying with your own subjects.
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Old February 23rd, 2018, 06:57 PM   #13
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Name one liberal idea or law that is not in some form a direct imposition or threat of on the people.
How about reading the quotes following my post. If we want a better reality, we must educate for a better reality. That better reality is not a technological society with unknown values, and that is what we have education for since the 1958 National Defense Education Act replaced the liberal education we had. If we want liberty we need to prepare people for the responsibility that goes with liberty.
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(National Healthcare) Does not exist in the United States. But if you're going to increase taxes to do so, which every Socialist has said must happen, then that is an imposition.

How about this, let us outlaw all medical insurance so everyone has to pay out of pocket for medical care and medicine. That might reduce our population and improve life for those who survive. Surely it would reduce our life expectancy because many retired folks could not afford the surgeries and medicine they need. It would almost surely reduce the cost of medicine because insurance has made it possible for the costs to soar. That is the biggest problem with health insurance. So do we have a deal? Either universal health care or no reduced cost health care for anyone

How can you ban something, tell businesses what to do with their profits and say with a straight face that is not imposing on them?

Civilization imposes on everyone. In a democracy, it is supposed to impose on everyone equally.
I so remember my youth when I thought all those impositions of civilization were wrong. In my later years, I have developed an appreciation for the impositions of civilization.

One more (Public education only) Taking away education choice. I am in favor of equal opportunity beginning with equal education. Also, I am favor of public education because we need to get along and how are going to do that when we are divided and isolated from each other?

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Old February 23rd, 2018, 07:27 PM   #15
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"on the people" = public, collectively
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Social Security (paid by recipients)

Alternative renewable energy

National Healthcare plus more like non-profit drug mfg. and salaried providers

Higher minimum wage and tie it to inflation

WSDEs (Workers' Self-Directed Enterprises)

Government-run prisons (end privatization)

Public education only, and properly funded, run by teachers

A state-owned bank in every state (like the Bank of North Dakota)

Ban all gifts and contributions to all politicians and campaigns above $500/household/year

End Citizens United

End excessive profit and salaries associated with colleges and universities

Set estate tax at 50% for all inheritance above $10 million

Ban stock ownership of more than 10% of issued stock per person

Add several new tax brackets with the top being an 80% tax on everything above $1 million/yr.

Ban lobbying by more than 1 person per business

Ban law-writing/creation by anyone not in government

Ban the A.L.E.C. and any orgs like it

Treat Native Americans fairly, with respect, and provide them a pathway to better conditions.

Require the primary purpose and responsibility of all businesses be to contribute to society; end non-productive businesses that just make profits for the owners with nothing positive contributed

Ban non-organic, non-biodegradable pesticides and herbicides

I could go on and on. All these things contribute to the people, -not impose.
Boy there is some really lousy crap laws in your list.
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Old February 23rd, 2018, 07:48 PM   #16
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(National Healthcare) Does not exist in the United States. But if you're going to increase taxes to do so, which every Socialist has said must happen, then that is an imposition.

How about this, let us outlaw all medical insurance so everyone has to pay out of pocket for medical care and medicine. That might reduce our population and improve life for those who survive. Surely it would reduce our life expectancy because many retired folks could not afford the surgeries and medicine they need. It would almost surely reduce the cost of medicine because insurance has made it possible for the costs to soar. That is the biggest problem with health insurance. So do we have a deal? Either universal health care or no reduced cost health care for anyone

How can you ban something, tell businesses what to do with their profits and say with a straight face that is not imposing on them?

Civilization imposes on everyone. In a democracy, it is supposed to impose on everyone equally.
I so remember my youth when I thought all those impositions of civilization were wrong. In my later years, I have developed an appreciation for the impositions of civilization.

One more (Public education only) Taking away education choice. I am in favor of equal opportunity beginning with equal education. Also, I am favor of public education because we need to get along and how are going to do that when we are divided and isolated from each other?
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Civilization imposes on everyone. In a democracy, it is supposed to impose on everyone equally.
No civilization does not. People impose on one another. People decide what is good for themselves and push laws and such with little or no thought to how it affects others. Seriously you people need to look up what imposition means.
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Old February 23rd, 2018, 07:51 PM   #17
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LOL!!! Nobody with guns ever did anything like that, and forced to pay? The majority WANT S.S. to be safe and to continue and most want tax changes to increase the revenue. So that is not an imposition and it certainly isn't a threat.




*"IF"*




Every socialist has said repeatedly that we pay twice what every other country pays per capita, and that we can do much better for much LESS. So you completely misrepresent socialists.




That wasn't the question or issue. The wording was "not in some form a direct imposition or threat of on the people" and I began my post by stating that "on the people" = public, collectively. So an imposition on some businesses is not what you specified in your OP. Stop changing mid-stream.




Learn something before you stick your foot in your mouth. Participation in WSDEs is always entirely voluntarty and paid for by the workers who make the choice.




It would cut frivolous imprisonment, pointless incarceration, and eliminate profits, and therefore reduce costs.




Private education drains needed funds from public schools. That is your "imposition".




HAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!!! Having a state-owned bank to choose from INCREASES choice. Ask the people of N.D.




How the fuck can you be serious? Our current campaign financing program imposes the will of the rich on all of us!!! I want to END that imposition.




That has nothing to do with the question you asked regarding imposition or threat.




https://berniesanders.com/issues/its...and-debt-free/




You asked about impositions "ON THE PEOPLE", not on any individuals. And the people want higher taxes on the rich.





81% of stock shares is owned by less than 5% of the people. You asked about imposition "ON THE PEOPLE".




You asked about imposition "ON THE PEOPLE", not on the .01% rich with huge incomes.






You asked about liberal ideas. Banning is an idea.





You asked about liberal ideas. Banning is an idea.





You asked about liberal ideas. Banning is an idea.





"BTFO"? But YTLYHSDIYM.
You didn't ask about "liberal only" and I don't see righties with this proposal.





The current assigned "primary purpose" of maximizing profits is a huge imposition on the people.





The health risks and ecological damage is a threat and imposition on the people.




It is irrelevant to your question. Remember? You asked us to "name one liberal idea or law that is not in some form a direct imposition or threat of on the people.


So I did more than you requested since you asked for "one idea". And you have trouble staying with your own subjects.
Just because you have a envy of or dislike of someone does not change the fact that most everything you said was directly imposing the will of others on someone else. You failed to name a single law or idea that did not impose the will of others on to someone else.
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In other words, he nailed you and your fishing expedition.
He did make an attempt as opposed to a smart ass comment. So, in that regards way above you
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Old February 23rd, 2018, 08:30 PM   #19
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Just because you have a envy of or dislike of someone does not change the fact that most everything you said was directly imposing the will of others on someone else. You failed to name a single law or idea that did not impose the will of others on to someone else.
But I win because nothing I said requires explosives.

There. That makes as much sense because it is also a change of the fundamentals of the discussion, just like your post is. Go back and read your own OP carefully.
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But I win because nothing I said requires explosives.

There. That makes as much sense because it is also a change of the fundamentals of the discussion, just like your post is. Go back and read your own OP carefully.
You support laws or ideas that impose upon others. It is that simple.

The honest thing you should do is just own it.

Admit that,in your opinion, rights of individuals should be diminished for the greater good as seen fit by a majority.

The reason the United States is a Republic is to protect the rights of the minority. This is a classic example of a collectivist vs individualist ideology. Your a collectivist, so it is virtually impossible for you to fathom how individual rights could in any shape way or form be allowed to exist if they do not conform to the wishes of a majority. Where as a individualist does not feel the need to impose his or her wishes upon others, and would like the same treatment in return.
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