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Old March 8th, 2018, 04:29 AM   #51
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Yes and then you said I had posted dozens where I said that people who voted for Obama were ignorant.....Examples please???.....Now I absolutely think that....but if I posted that ...maybe one or two??...but dozens??
You want to argue over how many times you've voiced an opinion????
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Yeah, sounds hyperbolic to me and a bit condescending too but whatever I'm not going to get into a pointless debate over evolution. We do not know that is how it went down.
We DO know “that is how it went down”

And here is the problem. Those who don’t accept that evolution is real are rejecting reality. They are no different then the people who claim the world is flat. You ignore scientific facts because they somehow counter your worldview.

This is not a problem if this view is limited to a very small minority (like flat earthers) but when a significant percentage believe something like that, it’s a problem.
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Old March 8th, 2018, 06:21 AM   #53
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It HAS been “proven differently”
Why do you accept the pronouncements of The Institute for Creation Research and Answers in Genesis when every other serious science organization disagrees? I have no doubt that even just a little effort on your part would reveal point by point refutations of what ICR and AIG claim. Why not put in the effort?
Nice vague insult, what makes the scientists who believe differently more serious than those at the institute for creation research. Feel free to debunk any of their and findings, or answers in genesis.

How did life originate? Evolutionist Professor Paul Davies admitted, “Nobody knows how a mixture of lifeless chemicals spontaneously organized themselves into the first living cell.” Andrew Knoll, professor of biology, Harvard, said, “we don’t really know how life originated on this planet” A minimal cell needs several hundred proteins. Even if every atom in the universe were an experiment with all the correct amino acids present for every possible molecular vibration in the supposed evolutionary age of the universe, not even one average-sized functional protein would form. So how did life with hundreds of proteins originate just by chemistry without intelligent design?
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How did life originate? Evolutionist Professor Paul Davies admitted, “Nobody knows how a mixture of lifeless chemicals spontaneously organized themselves into the first living cell.” Andrew Knoll, professor of biology, Harvard, said, “we don’t really know how life originated on this planet” A minimal cell needs several hundred proteins. Even if every atom in the universe were an experiment with all the correct amino acids present for every possible molecular vibration in the supposed evolutionary age of the universe, not even one average-sized functional protein would form. So how did life with hundreds of proteins originate just by chemistry without intelligent design?
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The origin of life on Earth is a separate matter to the progression of life after it has arisen.
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Nice vague insult, what makes the scientists who believe differently more serious than those at the institute for creation research. Feel free to debunk any of their and findings, or answers in genesis.

How did life originate? Evolutionist Professor Paul Davies admitted, “Nobody knows how a mixture of lifeless chemicals spontaneously organized themselves into the first living cell.” Andrew Knoll, professor of biology, Harvard, said, “we don’t really know how life originated on this planet” A minimal cell needs several hundred proteins. Even if every atom in the universe were an experiment with all the correct amino acids present for every possible molecular vibration in the supposed evolutionary age of the universe, not even one average-sized functional protein would form. So how did life with hundreds of proteins originate just by chemistry without intelligent design?
So many things in your post that come from the same tired (and wrong) arguments of creationists trying to debare evolution.

1. As MathFan pointed out, the origin of life and evolution (leading to the diversity of life) are two completely different topics. Origin of life is called abiogenesis. As the title of Darwin’s book says, evolution is about the origin of species. Either you don’t know the difference, meaning you can’t intelligently debate the topic, or you do know the difference, meaning you are being dishonest. I won’t hazard a guess as to which group you fall into.

2. Your attempt to “disprove” abiogenesis as a natural occurrence by saying, “Even if every atom in the universe were an experiment with all the correct amino acids present for every possible molecular vibration in the supposed evolutionary age of the universe, not even one average-sized functional protein would form.” is just another creationist talking point and shows you do not understand the mathematics and biochemistry behind it.

3. Finally your closing statement, “So how did life with hundreds of proteins originate just by chemistry without intelligent design?” is the same question asked a million times before. The fact is even if we had no clue as to how abiogenesis (which, again, is a completely different topic then evolution) came about it in no way “proves” that creationism is true. When a person dies, just because the medical examiner can not pinpoint a cause of death, it doesn’t automatically mean that leprechauns killed him. Just because we can’t fully explain abiogenesis doesn’t automatically mean that “God did it”
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It seems to me that those who want to argue with Darwin should get off back to the Nineteenth Century where they belong.
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We DO know “that is how it went down”

And here is the problem. Those who don’t accept that evolution is real are rejecting reality. They are no different then the people who claim the world is flat. You ignore scientific facts because they somehow counter your worldview.

This is not a problem if this view is limited to a very small minority (like flat earthers) but when a significant percentage believe something like that, it’s a problem.
It does not "go against my world view" i am just not under the delusion that we know that is how and what happened. To say that you know that evolution occurred w/o a shadow of doubt is intellectually dishonest. Nobody does. You are acting on faith, granted it is faith based on an educated guess but faith nonetheless.
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It does not "go against my world view" i am just not under the delusion that we know that is how and what happened. To say that you know that evolution occurred w/o a shadow of doubt is intellectually dishonest. Nobody does. You are acting on faith, granted it is faith based on an educated guess but faith nonetheless.
Faith is to believe in something without evidence.

Just because you don’t know/understand the evidence for evolution does not mean it isn’t there.

The evidence for evolution doesn’t need to be “beyond a shadow of a doubt” it just needs to be enough that it is beyond a reasonable doubt. The fact that evolution is classified as a “theory” means it has met that burden of proof.

"The good thing about science is that it's true whether or not you believe in it." - Neil DeGrasse Tyson
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From Merrian-Webster Dictionary:

1.
a : the period of about 365 & 1/4 solar days required for one revolution of the earth around the sun
b : the time required for the apparent sun to return to an arbitrary fixed or moving reference point in the sky
c : the time in which a planet completes a revolution about the sun two; Mercury years


From the FreeDictionary.com:

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astronomical year - the time for the earth to make one revolution around the sun, measured between two vernal equinoxes

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(A) https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/year
(B ) https://www.thefreedictionary.com/astronomical+year
But the word "year" has other definitions as well, such as...

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2 a : a cycle in the Gregorian calendar of 365 or 366 days divided into 12 months beginning with January and ending with December
b : a period of time equal to one year of the Gregorian calendar but beginning at a different time


https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/year
Thus, that true or false question doesn't necessarily test someone's intelligence. Rather, it could be argued that true or false question is a really a test which, somewhat, determines which definition of the word "year" a person chooses to refer to when answering said question.



(Heck, even an astronomical year, as measured between two vernal equinoxes, could be a longer or shorter period of time than it takes for the earth to orbit the sun due to the fact that the earth's rotational axis has a slight and variable wobble as it moves through space.)
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It seems to me that those who want to argue with Darwin should get off back to the Nineteenth Century where they belong.
The problem is, those idiots are trying to drag the rest of us back in time with them
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