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Old April 22nd, 2018, 08:06 AM   #1
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The following link explains some of the different beliefs that underlie our political differences. What are your basic political beliefs? Please go to the link first so we can work with an agreement about what we are talking about.

Beneath our political beliefs is our religious beliefs, so if you reply, would you also let us know if you believe the biblical explanation of creation or the scientific explanation of evolution.

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I believe in the scientific explanation of evolution.
I believe in the Biblical exploration of the way to live a fulfilled, rewarding, compassionate, generous, loving, fair, just and kind life.
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I believe in the Vulcan logic of the needs of the many outweigh the needs of the few.

Political policy should be working towards the greater good for the greater number in the long run.

Our current system seems to be geared towards the greater good for the richer few in the short term.
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I believe in the scientific explanation of evolution.
I believe in the Biblical exploration of the way to live a fulfilled, rewarding, compassionate, generous, loving, fair, just and kind life.
Sorry, I opened the door to a religious debate. I didn't mean for religion to be the subject of the thread and should have known better than to mention religion. However, your fundamental values are important to your political decisions and I wanted to know where people are coming from.

For the political discussion that I meant this thread to be, it is necessary to refer to the information in the link, but when I checked on the link, I saw the explanation I hoped we would work on together didn't automatically come up but requires clicking on "American attitudes about government and politics". That is where values of self-reliance versus greater government protection is explained.

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I believe in the Vulcan logic of the needs of the many outweigh the needs of the few.

Political policy should be working towards the greater good for the greater number in the long run.

Our current system seems to be geared towards the greater good for the richer few in the short term.
Well, I think democracy is about the greater good for all, but the link speaks of self-reliance and individualism, and free enterprise. This could mean government stays out of lives.

There is also a value of equality of opportunity, and this could mean the government has a role in increasing that equality.

There is also "rule by law". Should this mean limited government, or government that protects our democracy by assuring the good of all is our goal?
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Do believe in scientist plus my own religion Protestants just are 20 % off Christianity roman Catholicism are at least 50 % in all those Christian at least 10% are Eastern Christian above among 4th gravitation other Christian. Also do believe on racial portion Swedish Democrat in foreign political then perhaps I wants Hillary Clinton next election in U.S. president candidate hopefully in new chance for Hillary the ladies night or I hate U.S. if not Trump not are includde in twice victims its Koch I wanted too.
Someone from outside the US. You are most welcome in this discussion, I see you bring with you awareness of others that is not typical of US thinking.

So when it comes to being self-reliant should government stay out of our way, or should government work to equalize the playing the field?

On what belief system should "rule by law" be based?
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What are your basic political beliefs? Please go to the link first so we can work with an agreement about what we are talking about.

Beneath our political beliefs is our religious beliefs, so if you reply, would you also let us know if you believe the biblical explanation of creation or the scientific explanation of evolution.

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Thinking about this one. I think we're in a republic, one vote per person (not corporates - I think that was an enormous mistake). We need to do something about the MSM - especially the 24hr/7 days a week e-media. My recommendation would be that no foreign national nor foreign corporate owns any major US media outlet - TV, cable, major motion picture, radio & major newspapers/magazines, Internet net', nor any mass media device nor method nor technology yet to be invented.

I see no reason @ all to reward world media moguls with yet more opportunities to write the news for our consumption. Even domestic nets' should be limited - no one network (nor corporate affiliates) should own more than one of the following in each major market: a major newspaper or major magazine or major TV or radio station, or cable network or Internet net'. In effect, bring back the old rules against concentration of media into a few or a single ownership.

On the religious part, a note: the Biblical story of creation doesn't parallel the theory of evolution - that would be the Big Bang theory, or one of the equivalents in the scientific literature. That said, I think the Bible is about ethics & religion - evolution is about how life diversified to fill every niche in the ecosphere.
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Thinking about this one. I think we're in a republic, one vote per person (not corporates - I think that was an enormous mistake). We need to do something about the MSM - especially the 24hr/7 days a week e-media. My recommendation would be that no foreign national nor foreign corporate owns any major US media outlet - TV, cable, major motion picture, radio & major newspapers/magazines, Internet net', nor any mass media device nor method nor technology yet to be invented.

I see no reason @ all to reward world media moguls with yet more opportunities to write the news for our consumption. Even domestic nets' should be limited - no one network (nor corporate affiliates) should own more than one of the following in each major market: a major newspaper or major magazine or major TV or radio station, or cable network or Internet net'. In effect, bring back the old rules against concentration of media into a few or a single ownership.

On the religious part, a note: the Biblical story of creation doesn't parallel the theory of evolution - that would be the Big Bang theory, or one of the equivalents in the scientific literature. That said, I think the Bible is about ethics & religion - evolution is about how life diversified to fill every niche in the ecosphere.

The book Twilight of American Culture covers the media problem and I think it is a most serious problem! I think we can kick this problem back to the education problem. To my horror when I spoke with newspaper editors, I realized they do not know the importance of their job. They understood the economic aspect of their job, but not the ideological value of their job. Only when our democracy is defended in the classroom is it defended and that has not been done since 1958.

As I have returned to working on my book about democracy, I am very sensitive to the problem of Christianity. I don't know how to approach this problem, but not even the ethics of the Bible make this mythology worth the problem it causes. Jesus might be a god of love, but he is nothing like the jealous, revengeful, fearsome and punishing god of the old testament. The god of the old testament is the role model of an abusive husband and Jesus said He is our Father in heaven. Thinking of Trump as our father doing the will of god, and that weapons of mass destruction are a good thing for the father to have and use, is a frightening idea. Trump does not have global consciousness and his worship of Mannon that goes with this military "power and glory" is not the meaning of making America great again that we should support.

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Mammon /ˈmæmən/ in the New Testament of the Bible is commonly thought to mean money, material wealth, or any entity that promises wealth, and is associated with the greedy pursuit of gain. ... Mammon is a word in Hebrew ממון and it means "money". Mammon is the god of material things.

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